High sec ganking...content ideas

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Tommy_Fourfingers

i stated griefing is attacking new players with low level ships

Venture | Nomadicca | Killmail

You were saying?

[Lydra_Victor]

@Vokan_Narkar

That is a result of CCP buffing mining ships

@Vokan_Narkar

fleets with chinese names of ships

CCP AND CHINESE SHIPS. THAT EXPLAINS IT.

[Gloria_Exercitus]

@Tommy_Fourfingers

-10’s can’t activate .5 gates and above -8’s can’t activate .4 and so on
Make it so they have to put a little work in to get their sec status up to gank. and getting sec status up should be a much greater task than what it is.

Make sec status hits bigger

Allow miners some kind of protection ability as they learn the game mechanics such as hiring NPC’s like Concord to protect them while mining.

Shield Modules that only work in .7 and above that can absorb a hefty volley or make it a system wide thing deployed by Concord, Forcing gankers to bring much more fire power on the field,

Concord confiscating stolen goods like they did drugs

Suspects have a major docking and undocking delays to curb insta docking griefers that have plagued dodixie for years

Smartbombs disabled in .7 and above

We need Things that would force them to be more selective in their targets and require better planning and surmountable firepower. They would have to work for the kill.

Remember not everyone grasps EVE game mechanics as easy as others they need time and a place to do so, it takes months for fast learners and even longer for others.
We need to retain our player base.
20k players is life support

Complete and utter nonsense.

I survived being a noob, 4 years ago, despite all the alleged noob destroying perils you rattle on about. I was ganked just a few weeks after starting EVE….yet I am still here today and flying Marauders and have every T3 ship. I have 6 Omega chars with over 3 Trillion ISK in kills between them. And if I, who started EVE as a carebear, can manage that then anyone can.

So quit the BS. Nothing needs changing other than for noobs to have a little more backbone and determination. And if the germ of that isn’t there in the first place….well, they are playing the wrong game.

God forbid that we make the game easier for those who can’t be bothered.

[Tommy_Fourfingers]

@Aiko_Danuja

You were saying?

That’s a war dec target, but nice try

[Tommy_Fourfingers]

@Gloria_Exercitus

Complete and utter nonsense.

I survived being a noob, 4 years ago, despite all the alleged noob destroying perils you rattle on about. I was ganked just a few weeks after starting EVE….yet I am still here today and flying Marauders and have every T3 ship. I have 6 Omega chars with over 3 Trillion ISK in kills between them. And if I, who started EVE as a carebear, can manage that then anyone can.

So quit the BS. Nothing needs changing other than for noobs to have a little more backbone and determination. And if the germ of that isn’t there in the first place….well, they are playing the wrong game.

God forbid that we make the game easier for those who can’t be bothered.

Read the topic of the post, Also the me,me,me mentality doesn’t work in any situation in game or irl,.
Not everyone is just like you..

[Andlaust]

@Gloria_Exercitus

God forbid that we make the game easier for those who can’t be bothered.

Some people need cheat codes for Dark Souls, those same people demand ganking be removed from Eve.

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Tommy_Fourfingers

That’s a war dec target

Are you trying to say harassing new players via wardecs is not griefing???

[Tommy_Fourfingers]

@Aiko_Danuja

Are you trying to say harassing new players via wardecs is not griefing???

He is a war target,. you are so dishonest and toxic,.. it would be so pleasant to never have to deal with extremely toxic people like you. You ruin everything around you in games and irl
Stop responding to me, you are dishonest and toxic

[Aiko_Danuja]

So what?

You pretend you aren’t griefing, just because you issue a wardec? What if I declare war on all the miners, does that mean I’m no longer a griefer? You harass and kill new players who can’t shoot back, dropping Cynabals and Lokis on Ventures and Corvettes, what you are doing is way more griefing than anything I do.

[Vokan_Narkar]

@Tommy_Fourfingers

You are describing Griefing not Ganking
you claim you Gank for profit but are attacking “retrievers” and “cheap Ships”
You sir are a Griefer not a Ganker

You sir have no idea of what I am ganking. But it doesn’t really matter what I am ganking because you will always have a problem. with it. Because ganking without profit is wrong and griefing but at the same time gankers should never get profit from their ganks anyway.

Gankhaters and their logic.

[James_Fuchs]

@Tommy_Fourfingers

@James_Fuchs

This is a common misconception. I’ve read your other posts, and you seem to believe that ganking only works because it targets players that can’t defend themselves. I’ll just link you two recent kills from Aiko that disprove that:

Then what i posted doesn’t apply to you.. learn to read seriously.. i stated griefing is attacking new players with low level ships

@James_Fuchs

You make this argument again, and here you are glossing over the reality of the rest of EVE. The entire game is built around loss, conflict, and people making each other miserable. Yet you single out ganking as if it were uniquely evil. That is an unfair assessment.

Again learn to read i have stated many times Ganking is different than Griefing

Ok. Let’s learn how to read then.

@Tommy_Fourfingers

you can polish that turd all you want it isn’t ganking it’s griefing that he is describing.

@Tommy_Fourfingers

I have nothing against Ganking just Griefing and by making Ganking more challenging it cuts way back on griefing

@Tommy_Fourfingers

There is a difference between ganking and grieving and 90% of it in hi-sec is grieving, no body is suggesting removing ganking but to make it hard, more challenging and less rewarding.

@Tommy_Fourfingers

And its not a “detriment” end of the world change, You would have to put in effort and stop greifing people until they quit for your enjoyment.
there is a big difference between Ganking and Grieving

@Tommy_Fourfingers

Again nobody has ever suggested to remove ganking but to make it not 90% grieving and more challenging.
Defending Grieving is a bad look, it show you are afraid to PVP with willing armed participants.

@Tommy_Fourfingers

You are describing Griefing not Ganking
you claim you Gank for profit but are attacking “retrievers” and “cheap Ships”
You sir are a Griefer not a Ganker

So from what I gather, there is an unknown qualifier, that is entirely decided by you, about what constitutes as ganking and what is considered griefing. You also say that if I gank for profit, it’s apparently fine, but then you propose changes that let CONCORD take away all my loot too:

@Tommy_Fourfingers

Concord confiscating stolen goods like they did drugs

hahahaha!!

To me, it looks like you just want to destroy this neat little playstyle that me and my friends, as well as many other players, enjoy and aim to perfect every day. You don’t understand how many roadblocks and obstacles are already placed in the way of a fulltime ganker. And with all the small but numerous tweaks and balance changes, ganking has become more restrictive, difficult and expensive to perform.

And somehow, this playstyle is still alive. Because unlike all your miner friends that quit the game over losing a shitfit retriever, every single ganker learns how to deal with the crap that the game is subjecting them to.
And here is a funny fact: If everyone played rationally and excercised due dilligence in fitting, attentiveness and safe travel practices, ganking, in it’s current state, would be dead after a single day. Ganking is not overpowered, infact it’s quite the opposite. When I gank you, I am starting a damage race against CONCORD that, at it’s maximum possible time, doesn’t even last half a minute, and my ships will be guaranteed to be blown up, so you don’t even have to damage me. These are incredibly shitty odds to be picking in a fight with someone.

Guess what, in the vast majority of cases, we still succeed. And that has nothing to do with any overpowered mechanics that make ganking super easy (haha!). It has everything to do with us finding and using your mistakes against you. And no matter how much EHP the developers throw on all the ships or how many more roadblocks to ganking they introduce, CCP can’t fix you making mistakes and blundering your ships away.

Since you didn’t engage with any of my points earlier, and I’m convinced that you won’t because it doesn’t fit your ganking is evil narrative, I will just skip forward to my suggestions for you:

Appreciate that the universe is still dangerous enough that you need to pay attention.
Stop whining.
Tell your friends to get a grip and get good.
Remain humble and willing to learn.
Enjoy the glory that comes from conquering your greatest challenges.

With ganked regards
-James Fuchs

[Tommy_Fourfingers]

@James_Fuchs

Stop whining.
Tell your friends to get a grip and get good.
Remain humble and willing to learn.
Enjoy the glory that comes from conquering your greatest challenges.

With ganked regards
-James Fuchs

Read the topic of the post, Be constructive there is no need to be toxic and flame people.
be a better human

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Tommy_Fourfingers

toxic

@Tommy_Fourfingers

Lies and gaslighting

@Tommy_Fourfingers

assclown

[James_Fuchs]

@Tommy_Fourfingers

Greifers always rage in the forums at the mention of removing their easy targets.
They relish in how many people they can get to quit the game.
And Greifers are always the loudest in the forums when the issue arises, real PVP’rs don’t greif

With ironic regards
-James Fuchs

[Allison_Hell]

Ganking is 100% avoidable. Based on this very simple fact, we can conclude that if someone is ganked, they were a willing participant in the gank.

[Chad_Frostpacker]

There is a lot of prep work required though that then goes against the risk vs reward principle.

If it is easy to make, don’t transport it, instead make it yourself or order RedFrog to deliver!

[Yareyare_Dawa]

Getting ganked in a video game is not victimhood, thats completely offensive. Touch grass.

[Yareyare_Dawa]

What do warzones have to do with anything? If someone decides to shoot you for fun or profit IRL the cops cannot save you, they can only punish the perpetrators.

[Andlaust]

@Chad_Frostpacker

There is a lot of prep work required though that then goes against the risk vs reward principle.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of risk vs. reward.

You don’t simply not mine for gold because there’s a risk of a cave in, you shore up your mine shafts and mitigate the risk. Only when the cost of risk mitigation outweighs the reward do you decide not to do it.

Risk mitigation, aka “prep work,” is a part of the entire risk vs. reward principle, and not something that goes against it. Yes, with a little prep work, a gank will succeed, but on the same coin, with significantly less prep work, you can completely avoid the gank in the first place.

[Chad_Frostpacker]

The preparation is like not mining right on the beacon and deciding which modules to lower the risk.

At least I hope that I am mining ICE lower than average risk currently.

/I like to mine and watch the shiny things glisten and sparkle.