High Sec PVE Revamp Needed

Her ass had better be in there getting that Veldspar…

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Like, overall in general or within the specific parameters of the discussion? Cos you know that’s obviously a complex question that requires nuance in order to approach the answer, I couldn’t possibly distil all of that information succinctly enough to fit within the bounds of this text area.

Sorry about that!

Is everything ok at home fella?

Hisec pve has a terrible return on time. Hisec mining is a terrible return on time. Hisec PI maybe but you better be doing it with all 3 of your characters to get anything close to decent.
I could list a laundry list of nerfs, to everything Hisec, even some that weren’t really posted, but buffed? Never
Were people really PLEXing their accounts so much in Hisec that it required constant nerfs? Is it not active gameplay? We aren’t really interested in balance, let us be at least honest about that, because it is not, it is about making people do what you want, and that is boring.
EvE is the only game when I am finished playing I have to ask myself, “did I have fun?” and more and more that answer is no it wasn’t.

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So, it really is all about the money. To answer your question, yes, players were able to PLEX their accounts easily in high sec before the “nerfs”. That’s one of the reasons why certain minerals and ore types were removed, and the values of other things decreased. You can thank the bots for that.

In null sec, if you come across a mining bot fleet, you can just drop 50 supers on them and nuke them back to the stone age. In high sec, not so much. If there is someone bot mining in an ice anom with a max-tanked Orca and 20 max-tanked Skiffs in an NPC corp, you’re only option is to attempt to gank them. Good luck with that. Even if you manage to kill one of their ships, it’s instantly replaced by another.

More money allows riskier gameplay, that is not a secret no matter where you go.

They reduced payouts in mining, they added diamond rats, they have suicide ganking, and all the while the bots in Null auto warp out when someone enters a system even close to them. Meanwhile most the ore is being mined in Null when all the risk is in wormholes.

That’s why you keep a cloaked alt in their system 24/7 so they never even get a chance to undock or mine a single chunk of ore. :wink:

Suicide ganking has been a thing since day one. As far as diamond rats go, it was Trigs before them. All you have to do is pay attention, don’t AFK, or even better, go kill the FOB.

Except that doesn’t work anymore in all of Null because of cloak jammers that you have to hit every 15 mins on the cloak again. Dangerous indeed.

Trigs can be made blue, not so easy with a diamond rat.

Oh, there are other methods where you don’t even have to cloak to keep them docked up 24/7. Just fly into the sun, as in physically into the sun, in a fast ship. No matter if they probe you down, they still can’t warp to you. They will get dropped 100,000 km from the Sun. It’s also a fun way to jack with folks in null who aren’t bots…

Then kill the FOB so you can mine in peace. They can be solo’d in a Rattlesnake with the proper fit.

They could increase the value of rats in Hisec as they are barely above worthless now. They could make any kind of deadspace structure in a mission not take 200 shots to just find out most of them are terrible now. They could at least make what you gain in faction standing the same as you lose instead of 2x so you basically don’t disincentivize doing them at all. They could have real rewards buried somewhere in faction missions like they used to instead of just a mindlink. They could put some kind of warning in system when diamond rats are present.

That’s on you to check. All you have to do is open up the Agency menu and it shows if there is a FOB in your system or the surrounding 3 systems. Takes all of 2 seconds.

I think my position on much of Hisec is anything that has changed that disincentivized doing it at all by any significant amount of people, should be changed period.

do not have to do that…
simply have upwells on an overview tab…

They will show up as blue icons in open space as you pan your camera around.

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I am not sure I agree that new people who just left the starter systems should have to learn about a diamond rat, which they were never taught, the hard way.

Sorry, but EVE doesn’t need any more hand-holding. There’s already more than enough of it as it is…

Yes but that action specifically targets new people to a certain degree, because you have to be relatively new to be doing that.

There are at least a hundred different things I can think of that the tutorials and career agents don’t teach you. You have to learn the hard way, as it should be…