High sec representation

What is clear is there is a lot of players who just are not interested in nul sec and low sec. CSM just does not represent high sec. The war system needs to change as it is really hard for high sec players to build communities because some players just like to do missions and explore, and wars just force them to leave their high sec corp if they don’t want to be involved in a war. Let’s be frank though, the purpose for war was for high sec corps to compete as if it was null sec in high sec. That’s not how its being used, it’s just being used for some corps to bully people who don’t like fighting other players. Let’s acknowledge the elephant in the room. High sec is maintained for players who don’t want to fight and war is just a way to blow up structures. If you break down all the “wars” they often lob sided, null sec corps can’t even compete with the ganking that goes on in these wars, the attacker is often scoring more kills then the defender. It’s not a competition its just bullying and means high sec corps can’t build communities and people use structure corps anyway so players are not even invited to help defend structures in high sec. It just doesn’t seem wars are being used for what it is intended.

Some solutions may include an opt-out one time if you opt out of your corps war you can’t get back into it, to avoid abuse. People look at high sec players corp record and wonder, why are you going in and out of corps so often, well this is common for high sec players who don’t want to fight in wars. Why is this even needed? Why have a mechanic that is basically pointless?

Another solution might be make all wars mutual, with a period of time that the defender can decline as a whole corp to wage war. The attacker is refunded for its request. An abandoned structure/corp would not be around to decline and people would still have a chance to blow up abandoned structures.

Another way to handle it, for some, they are only interested in blowing up structures, just allow all high sec structures to be attacked and do away with the buggy system all together. As soon as a high sec structure is attacked allow the attacker to be flagged combat to be attacked by anyone. Only when structure attacker is attacked themselves will high sec people be able to respond.

One last way to handle this is very simple. Disable cap chains and rep chains in high sec or allow a structure to have a disruption weapon that disables chains, using cap and rep chains ships make it impossible for structure weapons to kill any ships at all. It’s not fair that null sec players come to high sec and use cap chain and rep chain strategies, it makes it impossible for a structure to defend. What’s even worse, is it is not obvious to a high sec player as to why these groups using cap and rep chains are able to be entirely immune to all structure weapons, it makes it seem as though the bullies have an “mystery” advantage and discourages people from play. Disabling this could make it more interesting for people to actually engage in warfare, but the reality is people just don’t and are discouraged from game-play. Consider that every MMO game that has healing also has a healing disrupting power in pvp so people can feel one on one combat has a purpose. A single person multiboxing 20 ships or even 10 ships should not be able to take down a manned structure with weapons in high sec, its just not fair at all. Cap and rep chains maybe are important in null sec and low sec but in high sec the advantage needs to be removed or one of the above suggestions should be used.

Most importantly high sec wars are not really used for fair competition, it would be actually a lot of fun if it was, but its not, its just used for bullying and it isn’t fun and people just stop playing the game.

The annoying thing is that the same people are also highly uninterested in CSM. They just want to play for a few hours per day and don’t be bothered with politics and dumb developer drama.

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Nothing is fair in EVE

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Depends on your definition of fair, as “one person’s fair is another person’s trolling”. :wink:

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One solution is to give these citadels the ability to disable the caps of attackers. Suck out all of their capacitor energy the instant the battle begins. If ships can do it, the structures should be able to do it. Or let the players store cap rechargers on a massive scale to allow the structure to keep its cap going. Or both! I can store several XL ships inside, but I can’t store a massive amount of cap rechargers?

There are ways to combat cap chaining. Make the fight hurt! If a group of ships can gank a structure, then the structure is sorely underpowered.

Which is why structures need to be able to fight like structures.

We’d be more interested in them if anything they discussed had anything to do with high sec. The response to this is always, “Go to null sec”

Isn’t he in that standings grinding corp? Don’t think they much care about hisec wars one way or another. Though this is just a guess on my part. Maybe ask him…

Hey @Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras do you have some personal stakes in this question and that is why you say “Nothing is fair in EVE” or you say that without bias?

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You wrote it in relation to this thread and the last few posts. Too late to try backpedal now. :wink:

I know in your opinion anyone who disagrees with you is a troll and whenever you can’t get out of a hole you dig yourself into you call people trolling you. Just the usual. The good thing everyone sees that and no amount of mental gymnastics and denying will change their perception of you. :wink:

Trying to accuse me with the thing you do won’t trick anyone. Just sayin’. :blush:

The same old “anyone disagreeing with me is a troll” plus also “should be censored”.

You said what you said in context of the thread and the last few posts including Geo’s post. Now that your post has been scrutinized and proven wrong in that context you posted it you try to save face.

Nobody can save you from your own mistakes especially when you double down on them. Calling people names and whatever just shows your immaturity and failure to admit your faults.

Only you can help yourself with that.

Same goes for your anger management issues.

Edit: Nice try deleting your posts in hopes nobody will notice but too late. :stuck_out_tongue:

No bias on my part.

I mean, don’t have a structure if you don’t want to defend it? That seems fairly simple. If you have a citadel and don’t want to defend it, then consider it disposable and put it in a holding corp like everyone else does. There are massive hisec corps that are both war immune and have use of citadels, so it seems like this problem is “solved.”

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It is solved. I consider it solved. I feel it could be better if structures could actually fight like structures.

You began this with a complaint that CSM does not have hisec reps . . . well that is because hisec did not really get the vote out to elect a rep this past election… (I know because I are one)

But let’s take a look at some of what you said (as a private citizen, not a CSM)

Disable cap chains and rep chains in high sec

That is a non starter with me as it would have unintended side damage to hisec incursion runner and homefront players, among others.

No, what they usually have is N+1, no mystery, just more people.

Believe it or not? Also N+1, multiboxing (as long as it adheres to the rules of the game) is multiple paid accounts and as legitimate as 10 individual pilots. Personally I do not multi as I am old and slow.

Now if you can make a case in that regard perhaps CCP might listen.

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(and yes, I will run again for CSM)

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He simply states the truth. No matter who we are, we all have bias.

If you get into a fair fight, one or both of you F’ed up. Thats combat and that’s the terms you accept when you undock. I made a lot of effort, and it turned better than I expected. Make just a little effort and you won’t die as much…

Maybe you could make good relations with a large hisec group to obtain more votes next election from that region of space you represent.

But whuch that group would be? ...

Gankers, including Aiko. :innocent:

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Didn’t take much, just keeping to the facts, not engaging in his bickering and pointing out the flaw in his logic acted as a brick wall he impacted into like a run amok car.

He realized his posts embarrass him by exposing his behavior and attempt at shifting subject in hopes his dishonest argument will be somehow vindicated. When it became clear to him this will not happen and everyone can see what he did he decided to delete his posts trying to hide his shameful behavior.

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I wasn’t asking you. It’s not my fault that you get a ping every time I quote you. I made the wrong assumption that you would have figured that out by the context and the body of the material the question was squarely aimed at Uriel the Flame.

Please tell me you got screenshots.

Now I’m super curious.

Full on Streisand effect here.

I don’t take screenshots of forum posts.

But at least he is honest about it, he was indeed very triggered.

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