High sec should be.. more safe

[Andski]

high-sec will never be safe enough for these people until the safety switch can only ever be set to green and they can safely autopilot expanded bestowers with 50b of cargo between trade hubs

[Knowledgeminer]

@LlamaDrama

You can’t autopilot a 250k hp armor tanked battleship through hi-sec without being ganked.

You’re not supposed to be safe anywhere, regardless of what you fly and how many HPs it has. That’s how things are and are supposed to be, not a problem with the game nor the security of high sec. Get that already.

If you don’t want to be ganked, stop assuming you’re safe or should be under any circumstances and fly accordingly, period. In particular, don’t autopilot, at least not through hot systems. You’re the only one to blame if you do. There is nothing that needs to be fixed just so you can play afk in complete safety.

That said, all the kills you linked had WAY less than 250K EHP, and the one with the highest EHP was blinged. Show us one 250K EHP battleship, just one, that wasn’t blinged and was suicide ganked.

@LlamaDrama

CCP really should act on this out of control ganking because I am sure it costs them players.

Good thing CCP knows better.

@LlamaDrama

None were expensive fits.

Check your “facts”, please. The Vindi obviously was, several faction mods. Drop value was 185+ million, probably more than the ganking ships were worth, not sure about that, but looks like the gank was profitable.

@LlamaDrama

Plainly fit battleships are not meant to get ganked while traveling through hi-sec

What? Where did you get this idea from? Anyone may gank you for any reason or no reason at all. Some gankers will gank you if they can for the sole reason that you’re AFK, regardless of ship or drop value (i.e. at a loss). Deal with it and fly accordingly.

@LlamaDrama

The fact that it is happening shows there is a problem.

There is a problem indeed, namely the wrong assumptions many players make about how safe high sec is or should be.

[Rocket_Hellfire]

What?? HIGH-SECURITY SPACE, should be… Secure? That would be axiomatic to anyone with even semi-reasonable intellect.

CCP? Logic? Words don’t mean anything in this post-modern world the ‘woke’ have brought upon us…

Safe. in HIGH-SECURITY SPACE. HA!

[Haulie_Berry]

This appears to just be an argument in favor of renaming high sec.

[Buoytender_Bob]

Just as an aside, can you even have a BS with 250k ehp,useful, and not blinged?

[Daichi_Yamato]

Before we get into this.

Useful is a pretty broad term. You can definitely get battleships with a slight bias to being tanky to reach 250k ehp and still be useful.

The 250k ehp however was not specified by Knowledgeminer but the person he was replying too.

[Punctator]

yeh put them all to jail - and every day at 20:00 utc - we should wath how concord guillotine them all in jita and make them free again. They dont feel like real criminals because of no true fun penalty so they are always evil and frustrated.

[Butt_Cigar]

Loot fairy

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Dracvlad

I meant threatening those people who allow them to dock in their structures, and blowing them up if they continue to allow them

Hey, we got plenty of actual CODE fortizars - you are welcome to declare war on us.

[Aiko_Danuja]

I think what highsec carebears and whinebears fail to understand, is that basically everyone who isn’t a miner is strongly in support of CODE, which is why we are so successful at fundraising. You can’t defeat us, because we are supported by every major in-game alliance, whether they be in low sec, wormholes, or null. Everyone is in agreement that highsec carebears deserve to be shot.

[Cicada_Adacic]

Hey, so back to this Scam, if I find you Carebears to pay a Ransom to you to not get shot, I will only take 30% finders fee. Does this sound like an amazing opportunity? Yes it does!! You and me, we win!!

[Aiko_Danuja]

Yes, if you sell a mining permit for 13 million isk, I will let you keep 3 million isk provided you pay the required 10 million isk.

[Cicada_Adacic]

Deal! I forgot to mention that I charge 10million service fee, but that is completely Tax Deductible after the 10million isk liability insurance Fee.

[Aiko_Danuja]

As long as I get 10 million isk, you can charge the miner any additional surcharges. Good luck! Be sure to check if they have ever blasphemed against the CODE, as their fee will then be 30 million isk. James is quite clear about this.

[Old_Pervert]

@Karak_Terrel

As we have said in all those countless threads about gank nerf requests, CODE. already uses citadels to stage from because tethering is extremely convenient to setup the gank fleet. Apparently the promised content isn’t happening.

I never said the miners would fight back, just that they’d have the option. If they already have that option, then yea, that kind of invalidates my point of view.

@Karak_Terrel

The owner can already set the ACL to disallow certain groups from docking and tethering.

Yea, they can… but honestly, would tapi ever block people from accessing the TTT? The whole reason it’s there is for people to use it for trading. Voluntarily removing a portion of your market is silly, especially with all the… um… salvage that code would end up wanting to put on market.

I’m not against gankers. I’m just in favour of promoting conflict. If said promotion already exists, then enough said. I don’t spend enough time in HS to know where they stage from, or how.

[Andski]

@Rocket_Hellfire

What?? HIGH-SECURITY SPACE, should be… Secure? That would be axiomatic to anyone with even semi-reasonable intellect.

You can get mugged right outside the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, right in the heart of the world’s financial capital. Security ultimately only tries to maximize the likelihood that an offender gets punished.

[Knowledgeminer]

@Old_Pervert

Purely an opinion, that a game which uses money to stay online should receive money from the people who play it. I’m a fan of paying for what I use like any other responsible person.

Yeah, I understood this was an opinion, but my point (which maybe I didn’t word properly), is that this is an oversimplified uninformed opinion on the matter. FWIW, mine wouldn’t be oversimplified , but would still be uninformed too.

The thing is CCP knows better than either you or me possibly could what the right thing to do with alphas is, so your opinion on this particular issue is simply irrelevant (as would be mine).

@Old_Pervert

You’re quoting half of what I said. I specifically evaluated the exact thing you’re criticizing in the other part you didn’t quote.

An actual trial should be permitted to go red. Someone just using an alpha account because they don’t have to pay for it should be encouraged to pay for it.

Wait, wait… Here’s the full paragraph you said in your previous post, of which I only quoted the last part:

@Old_Pervert

In a perfect world where alphas were all new players, I’d be 100% in support of alphas going red. But in an Eve world where we’re encouraged to exploit the mechanics, going red in an alpha just encourages players to not pay for a subscription game.

The first part, which I didn’t quote, referred to some hypothetical case of alphas being something they’re not, which is why I omitted and ignored it, considered only the part relevant to what alphas actually are, and asked how does allowing alphas to go red encourage them to not pay for a subscription…

You did not answer that question in the part I didn’t quote, and still have not answered it in your reply now. You’ve just paraphrased what you had previously said by saying now that alphas being what they are should be encouraged to pay for a subscription, but you have not answered how allowing them to go red would encourage them to not pay for a subscription…

Maybe you consider the answer is the “we’re encouraged to exploit the mechanics” that I also omitted, but it really isn’t, because as I said, letting them try going red while alpha may actually make them want to go omega in order to have at least two accounts so they may properly “exploit the mechanics” in full…

@Old_Pervert

It makes sense that concord, who will 100% attempt (pathetically) to engage someone of poor sec status, that they would bar access to an NPC station.

Actually, CONCORD only cares about criminal timers, it doesn’t care about sec status at all, that’s the job of NPC faction police.

@Old_Pervert

Sec status, as it is, may as well not even exist. It’s irrelevant to anyone who knows how to hit “warp”.

Not at all. Low sec status matters a lot for what I do. Low sec status is what allows me to catch gankers jumping gate or landing on top of the victim.

[Knowledgeminer]

@Karak_Terrel

As an ag forum tears officer, Drac has to push step by step to not make it look like he wants to kill off ganking (which is nonetheless the final target as it hurts his deep rooted white knight feelings), which is why he is so pissed about the thread title.

This made me ROFL. Exactly my thoughts about Drac comments on the thread title…

[Old_Pervert]

@Knowledgeminer

The first part, which I didn’t quote, referred to some hypothetical case of alphas being something they’re not, which is why I omitted and ignored it, considered only the part relevant to what alphas actually are, and asked how does allowing alphas to go red encourage them to not pay for a subscription…

You did not answer that question

It’s harder to read now that I’ve edited that to reflect that it’s opinion and not CCP stance, and your disregarding it is where the confusion is coming from.

The idea is that an alpha as a trial (an incorrect premise to start said argument from given the EULA), it’s good to let them have a taste of everything Eve offers. More to the point it’s almost important to show them how quickly Eve will ■■■■ them out dead. It’s important that they experience that rush, because that’s what Eve is. If you give them a theme park where it’s safe, then it’s also kind of boring and they’re less likely to subscribe. Setting safety to red is by far the fastest way to say “…oh. I’m dead?”

An alpha as a long term player who just isn’t paying for a subscription game (again, incorrect premise to start an argument from whcih I accept), is actively circumventing the one thing that CCP needs most to improve the game… money. Now obviously there are subjective design decisions that not all players agree with, but objectively, anything they do requires paying programmers. More programmers (or higher quality programmers) means more changes… be they bugfixes, features, or unicorns.

As said, I accept that my view on alphas is not CCP’s view. CCP’s view is that alpha-forever is perfectly legitimate. My view is that an alpha, which previously was a trial period, should be a way to give a new player a real taste of the game without forcing them to commit to something they might otherwise shy away from.

[Knowledgeminer]

@Buoytender_Bob

Just as an aside, can you even have a BS with 250k ehp,useful, and not blinged?

I’d have to check to be sure, which atm I can’t, but with some faction BSs that have bonuses for resistances, I think so, yes.

The thing here, and one of the reasons I asked to the poster I was replying to, is that would likely require some active hardener, which would have been inactive if the BS was on autopilot…