You’ve got injectors.
You’ve got constant sp giveaways.
You start with 450k sp instead of 20k.
You start with higher attributes and don’t need to worry about training learning skills.
New players have never trained so fast and needed implants so little than they do today. I think we can safely say that it’s not training time that’s hurting retention.
Shake off the idea that sp means everything.
I have always agreed that the problem is with me. I have tried not to generalize and only talk about my experience.
I would only argue it is a problem with the game if there are enough people who think like me that it becomes a problem. (Not saying it is currently, I would have no way to know that.)
With a referral code you also get 1 mil unallocated SP as well at the start.
The only thing I will say in my defense is I feel like the game, not the players, has tried very hard to tell me that SP is important. Skill injectors/daily rewards, and CCP communications have all worked to reinforce that SP is one of the most valuable resources. I may in time come around to your way of thinking but I hope yall can see that as a newer player I feel like I have been programed to value SP above all else.
Are you sure its not also your perception from other games, where the power of your character is proportional to their ‘level’?
Sorry no you don’t get to have it both ways. My last reply was literally responding to you attempting to spread your issue to the wider game as a whole.
The TLDR, you are playing in the best time in EVE history to have your cake and eat it too. Something you have either ignored or simply failed to respond to from my last reply.
You can literally just find a citadel near where you like to hang out. Put your jump clones there. You can then instantly jump to a clean clone with ZERO cooldown. Go PVP. Even if you have to quit suddenly you can dock up (if you still have a ship) and self destruct your pod to instantly go back home. From there you can instantly hop back into your +4 clone and go be a dad.
I understand the feeling I had that once too. There are some things you can do:
He’s not looking for information or help, he’s looking to have things made easier for him.
This comment is mostly accurate. I know about many of the alternatives you folks have been mentioning. I understand that ‘this is the best eve has ever been’ and I am happy it has improved as much as it has. However, being better does not mean there is no longer room for individuals to experience friction.
Maybe this is where all of the problems stem. I am not trying to convince anyone that things are broken. I am not trying to convince you that you are wrong. I am only saying that if it was easier for me to participate in pvp I would do so. I enjoy this game and will continue to enjoy this game for its other aspects. I don’t need pvp to fulfill me. The game doesn’t need to change to accommodate me, however, I would interact with it differently if it did.
I am relating my experience as I see it. If I sprain my ankle and you tell me it shouldn’t hurt because you broke both your knees last year how am I supposed to respond. I agree that your pain was probably more than mine, but my ankle still hurts.
What is ACTUALLY happening is that you keep kicking a steel pole and then come to tell us how much it hurts and how life would be better if that pole would be removed.
While we just keep telling you to stop kicking that pole in the first place.
Ok then that begs the question, What is that? I have already give you a scenario where today you can jump from your +4 clone into an empty clone, with zero cooldown, go PVP and then be able to get right back to your +4 clone and log out. If that isn’t easy enough for you what would be?
Here is what has happened to me this weekend. I swap clones and decide I want to try hunting bots. I have no idea what I am doing but whatever, if I get caught on the way cool. I get 20 jumps out without seeing anyone and suddenly I have to go. So now I have 2 bad options. I can either self destruct my 60m ship without getting anything out of it, or I can sit in the middle of nowhere for 5 days with no training implants.
Only cause you ask what would be easier, If i could have purchased a 7 day accelerator that gave me +4 stats (not stackable with implants) I would not worry at all. I could do this and not worry. I would eventually get back in my ship go find someone to shoot, die and go home. The next day I get to play I would probably do it again because I have no worries about getting stranded somewhere.
So to give you some context on what you are all worked up over.
Roughly speaking, Over 5 days with zero implants you will lose less than one day of SP gain. Now for a whopping 20mil isk you can have a full set of +2 implants (10 mil if you only use the 2 implants necessary for the skills that week), and over that 5 days you would be down less than half a day of training vs +4’s
So you could easily PVP with some +2’s and even if you are stranded for 5 days you haven’t trained all that much slower.
That being said if you are trying to infer that you only have weekend playtime, then choosing to fly to the @$$ end of new eden on a bot hunting expedition is probably not an activity cut out for your level of activity to begin with.
Do people even go bot hunting? I thought they just docked up when someone hits local anyhow.
I still miss this feature. Whenever you were too drunk to play the game you lost SP.
What? Dont you see the flaws in this plan from the outset?
Yeah look. It’s not like you say something new. This whole mess with the learning implants and them incentivizing people to stay docked is in the game for more than a decade. CCP is aware of it. We are aware of it.
You can tell us all day how bad this is and you are probably right. It doesn’t look like this gets fixed soon. Maybe it will, maybe it never will.
The only thing we can do is give you advice on how we all handled THE VERY SAME PROBLEM.
You have to decide what is more valuable to you, to get some +2% bonus you will probably never even notice 1-2 days earlier and miss out on actual entertainment in a game you pay 15$ a month (assuming you are omega).
I know you fear that you are missing out on SP when you are not in that learning clone. But that is all pretty irrelevant compared to the fact that you completely miss out on the actual game.
Create a clone in some station so you can jump if you want to do pvp and jump back when pve.
Even better, make an alt or get a second account.
Many options. Choose what suits you best.
I mostly just pvp with two +4’s for the attributes I’m training for. In addition to that I’ll also put in some hard wirings. I don’t care if I lose them as they are pretty cheap.
If somehow I am on a guaranteed loss type of roam then I will just use an upwell structure to swap out to a empty jump clone with no cool down.
So you have several options. Be cheap and swap clones or man up and eat a pair of implants once in a while. Nothing is preventing you but you.
I’ve never really bothered with implants, unless I’m sitting in a station for a long haul while I’m on another account/character. My advice would be get yourself to null. You can make 100m in a few hours of ratting and after just a week or so of ratting could afford to lose those implants many times over.
Create the conditions for your success, do not simply wait for them to arrive at your doorstep - because they never do.
I think this is a stealth thread for the removal of Attribute Implants.
