lets not beat around the bush here pve is entertainment for a big majority of us is something to kick back and chill after a long days work its easy…pvp for a pve 'er is not fun at all its a one sided gank fest that you have no counter to and just have to sit there and watch as you die with no joy in it. dont give me well fit your ship to counter then as you are fitting your ship to pve efficiently you dont want pvp or any part in it…if i wanted pvp id be out in null with a gang of people but ive done that and it definately doesnt fit in with my real world home life
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I’ve had a somewhat irregular “path” in EVE Online, in that I’m not particularly, interested in “content” generated by other players, for the most part. I like to come up with my own ideas, and execute them. So, for myself, what I found was pilots liked my ideas for “content” up to a certain, I’ll say, “price point”. Past that “price point”, no matter how enthusiastic pilots appeared to be, they would not sacrifice their own ships for whatever project I had in mind. So, in the end, I had to provide ship replacement for five pilots, 10, 20, 30, maybe, for anywhere from a weekend, to three months, max.
That requires a lot of isk, easiest way for me to acquire isk is trading.
So, every two to three years, I can sponsor an “event”, either publically, or privately. I can “outfit” everyone, win or lose, and have a good time trying to accomplish…whatever outlandish, non-traditional EVE activity I can imagine.
I’ve sponsored races, defended very small starter corps, ganked, fought small alliances.
Win, lose, or draw, and I paid for it all.
That’s what I need isk for.
I don’t think I’m alone in this either. It’s basically the same concept as a nullsec srp operation, just much smaller scale, with a rotating cast of characters/pilots.
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Based on your entire existence of bullying harmless miners, I’d say you’ve never done PvP either…
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Aww, the poor innocent miners…
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I really don’t see the point of logging into a multiplayer game to do NPC or AI generated stuff. I might just as well play Homeworld offline…and spare myself £12.50 a month subscription.
Oh I do see the value of doing all content in a MMO including the NPC stuff, I do it too.
PvP and PvE, I like both and think the combined existence of these things makes EVE such a good game.
I even understand it if players restrict themselves to only one thing whether that is only PvP, only PvE or even something more narrow like ‘only mining’. No one does everything in EVE at once, everyone has their niche of parts they like of the game.
The only thing that keeps surprising me is that some people have such a distaste of PvP while they play a game like EVE, that they feel the need to look down upon people who do PvP and call this half of the game ‘small niche’, or call it ridiculous to fit your ship with the possibility of PvP in mind if such a choice sacrifices a tiny bit of PvE efficiency.
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90+% here.
I like the lore of the npc factions. I like being in a big space game that receives updates and new content. No single player game gets that treatment cause usually they are a one and done purchase.
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I think EvE is similar to say PUBG, a PvP free for all, with action around every corner. However, if you go to the mining site, you will find some weird roleplayers who stand around trying to do something other than that. Most of them seem AFK. You can just shoot them all for some nice kills, and take their stuff.
They sure do cry a lot…
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A PvP free-for-all area where you can gather valuable resources but also can fight other players for their stuff.
That’s what drew me to EVE. It just happened to have spaceships, and a nice community so I stuck around.
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years ago it would have been much higher but after the fantastic triglavian invasion i switch to a more pvp oriented way of eve: i still do pve but i don’t do it with the same fervor of before
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I expect the majority of players don’t have any distaste for PvP, even if they don’t engage in it themselves. Some players, like Oosel’s post above, have only ever been on the receiving end of wildly unequal PvP, so it’s unsurprising they would have a negative impression of it. And of course the large high sec population has a somewhat negative view of it because many of them are there specifically to avoid PvP.
I don’t think there’s a lot of players who ‘look down on’ PvP as such, but there are many who look down on certain kinds of PvP. Such as being a high sec ganker while posing as a mighty warrior, and taking every opportunity to insult and mock ‘carebears’. Or a gate camper, etc. That’s unlikely to win much respect from others.
As for “calling half of this game ‘small niche’”, well first of all, PvP isn’t half the game. It isn’t even a quarter of it. You may not have been around long enough to have seen all the various presentations going back decades, but PvP has always been something like 15-20% of total EVE activity. And since EVE is a niche game itself, PvP is basically a niche of a niche.
I can’t speak to people calling it “ridiculous to fit your ship with the possibility of PvP in mind”, since I can’t recall anyone making that point. Although I can see where it might come from… if you’re mining, there’s really not much benefit to fitting for PvP. If you’re doing hacking or huffing in WH space, typically no benefit there either. Same for hauling, other than fitting some tank and not stuffing yourself with excess value cargo.
Heck, even in combat PvE, say a mission runner, there’s really no point to yanking a couple of your damage application modules to fit a scram and web. If you aren’t fully PvP fit and looking for PvP yourself, then chances are you’re going to lose to anyone who PvPs you. Because in general nobody starts a PvP fight they don’t know in advance they’re going to win.
So while I haven’t personally seen anyone calling it ‘ridiculous’ to toss a couple PvP modules on your PvE fit, there’s really no point or benefit to it either. It’s just a waste of fitting space and efficiency for whatever your actual objective is.
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Fitting for PvP isn’t only about equipping a scram, point or web.
Sometimes it just means fitting bulkheads on your freighter or a damage control on your barge, even if this sacrifices PvE efficiency.
You did, just earlier.
Or are you saying you weren’t looking down on what you assumed is my playstyle, with this tone:
Clearly you are looking down on fleet fights that happen to shoot a couple of ships (which usually are ships of other fleets, FYI) and are looking down (or with a tone of jealousy?) on people who you assume farm ‘max ISK in safe null sec like me’, unknowing that I neither live in a part of null that is safe or nor spend my time making a lot of ISK.
I’m in that part of space because I like PvP. Killing cloaky campers, trying to chase enemies solo, covops fleets to drop on gate campers, flying logi in big fleet fights… I play this game for many forms of PvP that it offers and do a little PvE on the side so I can afford to lose ships.
And you appear to look down upon it.
There are many ways to play EVE and I respect most of them, except those players who feel like they are better than others because of their playstyle.
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That is literally a short, factual description of your recent zKillboard activity. The “farm ISK” is literally from your previous post:
(Emphasis added by me) Null is well known for it’s ISK farming. I was merely including it to point out the circular nature of your process, which is PvEing to afford the ships you lose PvPing to protect your PvE farm.
If you read the straight facts and straight interpretation of your own post as being negative and “looking down”, that’s your own perception, not mine.
Absolutely true. And this is why, for instance, I often yank the chain of so-called highsec “PvPers” who are merely bottom-feeding scavengers, but who present themselves as masters of PvP and innately more knowledgeable about the game than other playstyles. But that’s mostly just to present the other side of that coin, not because I think their playstyle is invalid or wrong.
EVE clearly features PvP as a main item, even if not a ‘majority’ activity. TBH it should even have more PvP and more interesting and varied PvP. Null farming is perfectly legit (mostly), because thousands of people worked hard to create those opportunities. I happen to believe personally that things like the general style of highsec ganking, gate-camping, some types of cloaky lurking, some types of multiboxing or bot-farming etc. are kind of cheap and cheesy and probably even bad for the game overall (or at least for player retention).
However, those are also some of the things that make EVE kind of unique and interesting and challenging. So as long as CCP is happy with the results (and incapable of doing better, apparently), I’m fine with all those playstyles. But tolerating them or accepting them is different than ‘respecting’ them.
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You sound salty?
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Small poll - but 78% of players that PvE more than 50% of their time is interesting.
10% of players that actively spend 90% of their time (or more) on PvP is also intriguing…
Earn some isks, Destroy a ship, loss a ship, laugh about it and move on.But I think most crybears are the one’s whos flying a ship and cargo above their pay grade. High Risk, Less reward.
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I respecfully disagree. HS Gankers are Expert Hunters and you think t’s easy. Imagine how many alts one player need to use to effectively Gank a one Big Ship. They need multiple alts to defeat one alt.
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Not only that, you also have to depend on your prey being either AFK, lazy, or stupid. Your chances of catching someone who is actively at the keyboard and watching local is near-zero, at least in high sec.
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For giving away billions of isk on the forums to players who have a sense of humor and admit they suck at the game. 
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The quiet PvP.