How to fix combat interceptors


(Lugburz) #87

if you could make it that combats were still able to warp out of bubbles but still stopped or dragged into them after warping to a gate for example, or vice versa?


(Butt Cigar) #88

My Crow is a lightning fast shuttle for my Jita trips. Just saying.


(Old Pervert) #89

They are “fine” now. There’s nothing “wrong” with them (imba wrong), other than the fact that they’re out-classed in every way by other frigates. They have their own unique arrangement… the problem is relative to any other frigate it’s not worth it. You’ll be more productive in virtually every way flying a different class of ship.

What happened was that frigates were balanced for combat cepters with nullification. They lost that nullification, and with it the one thing they had going for them after other frigates got brought up to par.


(Lugburz) #90

so is my ares, doesnt mean i dont go to pings when theres a lot of people in system; especially when red flashies are in lowsec.


(PI farmer1) #91

Hi, since you want a jag that can do 4km/s cold w/o implants/links that badly i can provide one. As @Lugburz said previously, horde has a lot of these jags but here’s one that i slapped together:
High power
1x Small Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
Medium power
1x 5MN Microwarpdrive II
1x Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor
1x Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
2x Medium Ancillary Shield Booster
Low power
1x Assault Damage Control I
2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Rig Slot
2x Small Auxiliary Thrusters I

Flies at 4164m/s cold , extremely tanky tackle
OH is 5927 m/s


(Markus Reinhart) #92

Now try to solo with it.


(PI farmer1) #93

please, provide a solo inty that can fly at 4km/s and i’ll give you a better jag that can do the same speed


(Markus Reinhart) #94

So your “overly amazing” fit can’t solo, you mean. The thing we’ve been talking about all this time. There is no 4+km/s cold Jaguar that is good at soloing.

Here’s a combat ceptor that does just fine vs a decent range of targets, NOT just forced into scram kiting.

[Raptor, Raptor Dual Prop]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

1MN Afterburner II
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II

Null S x2000
Void S x2000
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S x2000


(PI farmer1) #95

Jaguar
High power
3x Rocket Launcher II
Medium power
1x 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
1x Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler
1x Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
2x Medium Ancillary Shield Booster
Low power
1x EFFA Compact Assault Damage Control
2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Rig Slot
2x Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Charges
1,151x Mjolnir Rage Rocket
1,001x Inferno Javelin Rocket
1,000x Scourge Rage Rocket
1,000x Nova Rage Rocket
1,000x Inferno Rage Rocket
1,000x Scourge Javelin Rocket
1,000x Nova Javelin Rocket
1,000x Mjolnir Javelin Rocket
Drones
2x Warrior II
2x Hobgoblin II

Active tank of 161 dps with one MASB cold, 151 dps and flies at 4181m/s

Your raptor has a passive tank of roughly 5.5k ehp, 196 dps and flies at 3732m/s


(Markus Reinhart) #96

Now all we have to do is for him to post the hard counter to it.


(Lugburz) #97

will lose to most comets, slicers, firetails and hookbills…
are you only shooting noobs?


(PI farmer1) #98

If i wanted to post a hard counter i would fit an AB and swap a nano for a ballistic control. The only hope you have of beating that jag is if the pilot didn’t bring enough cap charges


(Lugburz) #99

also that doesnt go 4k and will lose to this…

[Enyo, 2018 Taranis]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Assault Damage Control II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Warp Scrambler II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
[Empty High slot]

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II


(Lugburz) #100

to be fair he did actually pick arguably the worst combat ceptor… but also one that doesnt go 4k… and dual propped it instead of giving it a web…


(Markus Reinhart) #101

yeah, lets slap on 4 stacking bonuses.

Again, it’s not about beating an AF. It’s about combat inties having a place and work well. And they do.


(Lugburz) #102

against ■■■■ fit t1 frigates yeh sure…


(Markus Reinhart) #103

you would know, looking at your solo kb.


(Markus Reinhart) #104

I picked it because it was one of the list you mentioned. Not because it’s the best one. Also the 4k was a number you came up with, not me .


(Lugburz) #105

you havent even looked at my board mate, but at least i have one :wink:


(Markus Reinhart) #106

show us one solo kill that isn’t vs clowns, or where the outcome wasn’t obvious from the get go.