I’ll literally lose my s*** if people keep running in circles around PvE vs PvP stuff while not changing stuff related to how people start in EVE
If you loose your ■■■■ that easily then it cannot be helped. CCP litterally spent the last year working on NPE new player experience are you saying that it was in vane?
Are the new players skipping passed all the tutorials and then going guys I dont know wtf I’m doing.
An actual new player sharing their story.
See?
That’s the problem, people around here lack the capacity to observe things or the capacity of having a wider attention span.
The game grew a lot, the PLEX and the sub is higher… people still want to see newcomers crawling like worms for years and years paying a heavy sub or grinding this horrible today’s PLEX price
Who gives a flying F if some new sites are created?
Well, you gotta make your Omega time running for months under heavy prices and under low rewards
Newcomers are CRUSHED under EVE’s economy that is intertwined with:
- skill points
- PLEX
- being able to use Omega skills
- subscription
The new tutorial is really nice, but after the tutorial what is the reality the newcomer will meet?
That’s the whole point of the thing, almost all comments in the thread are not helping with none of that.
I guess by skill you mean dexterous skill (?) EvE has some dexterous skill involved, I have watched people better at PvP than I have perfect keyboarding clicks and steer their ship manually. EvE may not require as much dexterous skill as some other games though. As I pointed out though, you are using a narrow and personal definition of the word “skill”. I would not say that a chess grandmaster is unskilled, although a five-year-old may consistently beat them at a game of pong.
I have only seen multi-boxing done against PvE and ganking. PvE in EvE does not require as much dexterous skill as some other MMO’s, but it may require more than others. I used to brute force my way through Anomic missions with a frigate and a logi ship two boxing. Some types of ganking likely fall under this umbrella, the skill is in quickly picking the target successfully. I know there is no way I could fight two skilled PVPers with frigates at the same time, even if I had slightly better frigates than they did.
I don’t mean this as a slight, but you do not sound like you have a broad level of experience in EvE @Defi_Natalie_NotAnAlt. Are you are lumping very different things like ganking, fleet fights, PvE, solo PvP and small gang PvP in the same bucket? If you have not, try some piracy or FW in frigates, and see if you think you could handle doing that with 10 separate ships at the same time.
I agree. Everyone has their own things. I just don’t think removing someone else’s playstyle is an improvement.
I don’t think that gankers ruin what other people enjoy. Oh sure, no one likes to be ganked. I don’t like losing a fight of any kind, but it is going to happen. Because I don’t enjoy losing PvP does not mean that PvP should be removed. Ganking is a well-established part of the game. Ganking adds a small sense of danger to otherwise mundane tasks in high sec. And to be honest, it is very easy to avoid gankers once you have some basic knowledge of the game. For a game that is as easy as EvE already is, why remove the challenge of high sec PvP?
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All that new player has to do is join a good corp and those people will accelerate their growth many fold until they dont get crushed under eves economy.
Knowledge > sp.
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I’m a new player but wasn’t this true x years ago too? I mean the thing that seems to have changed(correct me if I’m wrong) is that everything is way more expensive than it was in the past.
No one cares, the guy will still have to crawl for many months paying today’s PLEX or the biggest sub in the planet
The game was expanded in every way, the starting toon is still a piece of garbage and the rewards are equally bad
When people started whinning about PvE server, etc etc, they don’t know what they way or what people want.
What people want is developing themselves, so what has to be fixed is the opportunity for development and it starts by working in the entrey conditions and how the player maintains the account
That’s it, the problem was never about mechanics
Not just that it’s more expensive now, the thing is that the rewards are still the same as 20 years ago
Can you imagine?
For twenty years the prices went up but the rewards are the same, plus some nerfs here and there
Also when I joined EVE we needed maybe ± 8 to 12 years to train everything, now we need 25-27 years… it’s not the point having all skills but this shows how much new stuff is in the game now!
But if you create a new account you will still have that 1.3 mil sp if you have a referal link, plus the 5 mil sp skill cap
HAHAHA
The game grew 100% more, the plex is many times more expensive, the sub is more expensive… but you initial skills and skill cap is still trash!
If you work in EVE for the Isk it’s the same trash as many years ago, but now the spending is bigger
So now you have to pay the most expensive sub in the planet or work as a slave for the isk
Fair it was true back then as well, but there wasn’t many videos and stuff Eve players liked to keep their secret’s. Now a days you can literally find everything people love sharing.
About the price of everything, definitely! When I started playing a month worth of plex was 400mil but at the same time making 60mil/h was normal and a lot of people made a lot more obviously but they kept how to do that secret. And during my first week I made a whole 10mil isk xD
Nowadays a week old char can make close to 60 running abyss and a lot more if they start doing anomics and stuff.
If you want any specific info shout.
Hello Kaede,
I have been playing EvE since 2004. I took a break from it for some years but came back during covid after being stuck in my computer room nonstop once my office started working from home. I have started two new characters since returning (for the life of me I can’t remember the username or email address of my old main account). I am a little hazy on the price of things back then, but in general the cost of things has gone up, but at the same time beginners are given so many free perks right off the back that it is much easier to start off now than it was back in the day.
I remember mining away in my newbie corvette, saving up enough to buy a bigger, better frigate. When I bought my first rifter I felt like I was king of the world back then. I would have killed for a venture at the beginning. Now people are given a destroyer and venture just from the starter missions. Can you imagine @Kaede_Ishii having to mine in a corvette?
I hope you enjoy the game and stick around. Don’t get discouraged, EvE can be rough at times, but that also makes the victories sweeter.
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Everybody has to wake the f up and understand that the entry level in EVE is crap
- Alpa skills are crap
- skill points are crap
- payouts are crap
- referal link is crap
- losing omega skills if you go back to alpha is crap
- not having dynamic payouts as ratting has is crap
- subscription price is crap
- the amount of time for trainning is crap
EVE is just a Calvary to a new player
All those above have nothing to do with PvE server, PvE this or that, “true” PvP or any other, nothing
Why you people talk about all those nonsense?
Are you blind or something?
Alphas. Give 'em an inch, and they’ll take a mile…
Alphas currently have it 100 times easier than vets did when we started out…
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Alpha is a free trial, Eve is not meant to be played as an Alpha.
If you are saying a new Omega player has it rough then fair.
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For us who have powerful alts, game knowledge, ISK, PLEX, Assets, connections and yata yata everything is so simple.
- just do this
- just do that
LOL
People have to start understanding that today’s EVE experience is not the same as in the 2000s
The bar is REALLY HIGH now
What newcomers have in their favor:
- lots of tutorials on youtube
- streams
- rookie channel is great as always
- great ingame tututorial
- AIR career is fantastic
But that’s it, that doesn’t fix the fundamentals of the economics about existing in EVE as a player
The bar is as high as you set it yourself.
Alt’s are optional.
Alt’s are only a nessessity if you are into hard core null sov crap or wormholes.
If you live in low a single account is 100% fine.
I started an alpha account just to do fw with (I didn’t want to take my main out of my corp). I am having a lot of fun with just little frigates on my alpha account. My breacher is certainly not crap I’ll have you know!
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New players can come up the same way we did. New player are already given millions of ISK, multiple free ships, and 1 million SP on day 1. That is for those who aren’t stupid enough to skip the tutorial and career agents…
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Today what is really better is:
- learning EVE is really easy now
I remember spending the first 2 months training lvl 3 on a bunch of skills then putting all the learning skills to 5.
Then every week I would get bored of training the learning skills pause it put on 1 skill I wanted for 2 or 3 days then back to learning skills.
Go out for a fight die loose my pod forget to upgrade my medical clone and then loose some sp.
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I’ve said it many times before on this forum, but it bears repeating. The problem is the current generation of gamers. They have become accustomed to instant gratification mobile games and think that EVE is too hard or unfair and want it changed to suit them. They have exactly zero patience or willingness to learn…
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