Well I guess this is officially February’s CCP clusterfig…
CCP does not reply to this kind of thing in the forums. You are really going to hate it when they declare it to be acceptable gameplay.
CONTROL OVER STRUCTURE TRANSFERS
One additional related change is also coming in the December release, allowing corporations to toggle whether they wish to accept structure transfers or not. This option is a generally useful tool for corporations and is especially important alongside the war declaration changes as it prevents the tactic of transferring a structure to a corporation to make them war eligible against their wishes.
This option will be available in the corporation details page and can be changed freely by the CEO and directors with immediate effect.
When this option is set to reject structure transfers, any attempts to transfer an Upwell structure or customs office to the corporation will be declined automatically. Transfers of sovereignty structures within the corporations of an alliance are not affected by this setting.
This setting will default to the “reject structure transfers” state for all corporations on patch day.
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Darkestkhan, do you even understand wardecs?
These guys arn’t looking for fights, they’re not gonna fight a horde of thrashers or sit still and let us kill them. They’ll dock up, play on other characters, etc, until they form a fleet, and they will hunt individuals, mostly new players, etc.
Yes we can tell people to be careful, but realistically not every person who wants to run a mission is going to have an alt, nor every person mining have a scout on every gate. And even if most do, they’ve got enough neutral alts to find the few who don’t.
So what, they gank some poor noob, even if we have enough on, we form thrashers, get the gang together and do what, stand over his corpse? They are long gone by then, and they won’t come back and throw away their Iki/Zarm fleet.
Either you yourself are brand new and don’t understand how wardecs are used, or you know very well that a pile of thrashers will do nothing more than waste our members time.
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No, it’s content. For both sides.
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It’s not technically a transfer to corp. It’s a launch for corp, which is a different mechanic.
One other thing you should do is ensure that each of your members has a jump clone installed individually in systems of their own choice, a long way away from where the corp centralises its activity. Never tell each other where those clones are located.
If you are all playing together and then decide to dock up to avoid an engagement, you all just then jump clone away and then do you own thing each for 24 hours.
The wardeccers don’t know whether you’ve all logged off or not, and meanwhile you are each 30-40 jumps away doing something else.
Requires people to keep their own mouth shut about where their clone is, but it’s an effective way to get away from wardeccers quickly and then continue playing.
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That was an excellent post and a very good response to the haters.
Good bullet points.
I am shocked that the war dec goes live immediately, I did not know this, how is that even possible? Ah I think I get how they do that.
From my point of view dropping the gantry without the affect of permissions and having that identify as a structure thus enabling a war dec is an exploit. Putting down a gantry is not an exploit in itself, nor is declaring war of course.
I did a petition on this and I had a senior GM reply to me. They are looking into it and I suggest you look out for something in the patch notes. At a guess you will be having this fixed, but I doubt that they will declare it an exploit.
Hits the nail on the head as per normal.
That is the issue at hand. Again great post, no wonder they hate yur corp when you just say it as it is.
Very much this.
That is what needs to be changed.
@Destiny_Alar I have a question, you guys have a war dec corp that defends your structure holding corps don’t you. And you indulge in war decs, I have seen this corp lose ships to PIRAT and go and fight them. When these people go off and say you are avoiding war decs it is not quite true is it. You fight but do not expose your soft under belly and all they want is the soft underbelly.
They are great, a while back PL decided to come play in Catch and our first response was to mass up in Thrashers and take out bling ships it was hilarious.
You are right and you are wrong, the way to do it is to bait them into it. Think log off traps.
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But nobody transferred customs office to them.
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I think this is the heart of the issue. Current rules govern the “transfer” of structures; but, a member of your corp is deploying the gantry, there is no formal “transfer” so this event does not fall under those mechanics. Someone outside of your corp could not do this, at all, only a corp member could pull this off.
Last fall CCP was talking “chaos”, and having to really rely on your corpmates. If I remember correctly Hilmar specifically spoke about spies and scouting and having to really depend on the people you flew with, if CCP are serious and have not backtracked on that plan, this innovative use of mechanics may just be considered emergent gameplay.
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Yes. All of the above. Go look at the numerous threads that have been locked after proof was posted and he had yet another meltdown.
I have to say, it is pretty damn sad that you don’t know anything of the history of this imbecile or his corp yet here you are jumping in both-feet-first to ‘defend’ it.
Yeah, you do.
Clearly you haven’t as all of what you are asking for is in the threads in THIS VERY SUB-FORUM here. Scroll down you idiot.
No, we ALL get dec’d by them but the only difference is, we KNOW AND UNDERSTAND this is a fkn PvP game and are not whiny little b1tches who think they are somehow special and outside the rules the rest of us play by.
It does though. Honestly, it does. That’s the point - if you chase them off and they dock up (you don’t btw cos you’re lame but still…) they aren’t going to beat you. But you keep on crying about how you shouldn’t have to play the same game as the rest of us Sabian-mouthpiece.
No they’re not and no it isn’t. Some clueless people are being suckered by you so this isn’t their fault - it is your for dragging them into your scam-corp in order to fleece them/ If this “great community” of your is indeed destroyed the game will be better off for it and all the future new players that come won’t have to be scammed by you then lied to by you about why they are in such a terrible place.
You are. Bc you love to play the victim card. All. The. Time. See how many other corps are here bleating about this? No? It’s because they are not whiny fools who think they are better than everyone else and they get on with the game.
Yes. It is. “TRANSFER” you moronic fool! What you are crying about is NOT transferring structures in any way at all. AT ALL!
Erm… it is happening to other corps and nobody else is crying about it. Know why?
Bc “war is hell man”. You want easy then piss off and play Hello Kitty Island or some sort of mobile game.
Corrected it for you 
Yes. So shut your nonsense whining.
…because we demand special treatment to satisfy our privilege…
Leading a load of newbros to their explodey deaths so you can farm the tax is not being “an FC” it is being “a d1ck”.
There is also no vetting procedure that can stop Sabus getting done for 90bil the last time this scam backfired on him either. What’s your point?
So… you roam and gank but when people do it to you it’s unfair? Dafuq? Are you actually high af right now?
Ok. All “them vs us” stuff that I enjoy getting into aside for the moment:
First, this is NOT the first time icanp have been in, then rapidly out of, an alliance due to this sort of thing.
Second, to see someone like this telling you about how their entire alliance has been adversely effected by this crap Sabus perpetrates should tell you something very clearly.
You people should grow up, stop sucking down the lies your “glorious leader” gave you before running away from the mess he (again!) created and go elsewhere.
Lastly, cos this is EVE and the whole “them vs us” thing - screw SiCo. Nothing personal though, you made good points and I am sorry to hear you guys are all still getting crap for this idiot’s actions. But yeah, screw you guys & go Provi!! 
Wow. This could go on and on and on. I will no doubt post more at some point cos this is genuinely HILARIOUS but for now I reckon this is more than enough.
Last point: ROFLMAO!!
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The only thing in this thread that sounds exploit-ey is the ability to pull gantry back for instant wardec. I hope this gets changed.
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…because CCP hates your corp too and think this is hilarious.
I know you’re too polite to have pointed that out but don’t worry - I got you on this np \o/
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So… What I’m getting from this whole thread is that pretty much every other corp in the game is fine and only ICANP is having this problem,and most of it due to their own HR practices (or lack thereof). Seems like a “you guys problem” than anything else.
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As many as they want to. Bc war. We get dec’d every single week by a couple of corps who are using an “EVIL MEAN EXPLOITAGASM OF MEANIES AND UNFAIRNESS COS THEY ARE MEAN AND NASTY EXPLOITASPERGOIDS!!!” but you don’t see us crying. You see us saying “so what? Grow up and deal with it like we do”.
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Actually, seeing how ICANP already has PvP fleets (judging by some messages higher), they should be the ones without problems with this mechanic.
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This is war. Man.
You can’t say this is an exploit as it is more akin to things like espionage etc. Spies don’t turn around to their handlers and say “yeah, but isn’t this a bit mean? It’s like we’re exploiting them and even though they are the enemy shouldn’t we be the better people and just not attack them or something?”
Get a grip.
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Yes. “REJECT TRANSFER”. What is it you are not understanding here?
Close, but not quite. At THOSE numbers even Corvettes with 2 sh1t-tier turrets of any kind in a Zergling suicide-run is a force to be fkn terrifying!
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Course of action is simple if you want to escalate it. Every player in your corp who loses a ship to these war decs needs to petition their ship loss and do not accept a no, refuse to allow it to be closed until it is reimbursed. Make the point that this is due to failure of their code and mechanics and link that you are not war eligible, that acceptance of structures are off and that your permissions only allow a very select group of people to drop structures. Point out that it is a failure in the game mechanics.
CCP like any company do not like to have to do a lot of work, however in my opinion they are going to patch this soon. It is not a great thing to have to do, ultra shitty in fact and it is not a good thing to upset the Devs. However I do believe they will patch it from what was said to me and I would advise not doing this.
Good luck.
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Yeah, it is simple: win those wars through sheer numbers…
Wait, what?
As stated in the first post, CCP currently considers this mechanic working as intended. The loss to intentional mechanics would not be reimbursed, and those petitions would just reinforce general public opinion about ICANP as whiners.
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If only this complicated deep game was so simple…
Actually no, they are going to patch it.
How would you know they petitioned? Are you hacking their accounts?
As for whining it is a justifiable question mark on a mechanic that is not working properly and exposing them to loss. Not much more can be said about it.