HyperNet Relay Welcomes Scammers šŸŽ«

Itā€™s not a scam. The seller has every right to buy as many tickets as he wants. Heā€™s still risking losing his item and all the profits he didnā€™t make from the self-bought tickets.

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Honestly, just think about it. You can do a rough multiplication in your head, or just press WIN, enter calc, hit ENTER and do it yourself. Why would you want to help people who refuse to help themselves, or potentially donā€™t even care? There is no point in that. Your silly crusade serves no purpose. These people are gamblers or trying to save money. The most likely case is that the people who buy on the hypernet really simply do not care, because what matters to them is that they still pay less, which they potentially do.

How this works isnā€™t really complicated. People donā€™t care about the full price in hypernet, they look at market prices and how often they can try until theyā€™re not saving money anymore. For simplicity, letā€™s assume items can have 100 tickets. That just makes it easier to explain.

I drop a thing on the hypernet, valued at 1 billion isk on the market. I ask for a total of 2 billion isk on hypernet. So I have 100 tickets worth 20 million isk each. The player only looks at the market price, which tells him that he has FOURTY NINE attempts to save money. 49*20 = 980 Million ISK.

Welcome to gambling.

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The only thing dumber than buying lottery tickets is trying to ā€œscamā€ people by buying your own lottery tickets.

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CCP is a business, bla bla bla, they need to make money, bla bla blaā€¦

Sorry, just wanted to by ā€œthat guyā€ for once. I feel like trash now.

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You like it as much as I do?

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So, an irrational pattern of behavior by people who are too stupid and/or addicted to understand basic math and throw money at a losing bet? Yep, sounds like a good description of gambling!

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Itā€™s not a scam if - only by way of example, of course, Iā€™m sure you would never make such a purchase - I offer you an item for 3 billion that sells on the market for an average of 1 billion and you decide to buy into a raffle for it.

If a ticket buyer CBA to quickly do the very simple calculations in their head before laying isk down that is not the offer makerā€™s problem. Does the game have to do everything for a person?

It is also not a scam if a hypernet ticket buyer is fully aware yet chooses to risk their isk in exchange for a chance to get an item they want, regardless of the overall amount of isk that could be generated by said raffle.

Gambling? -yes of course. Scam? - nope

If a player wants to participate they can, if they donā€™t want to they donā€™t have toā€¦seems pretty simpleā€¦

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Id consider that IF it autoblocked all the hypernet link spam as well

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What you describe is not a scam. You are buying a chance to win. For instance if there are 512 nodes you are buying a one in 512 chance to win for each node you buy. Your odds of winning do not change regardless of how many nodes the buyer buys. Itā€™s basic math. If you buy one node and the sell buys all the other 511 nodes you still have a one in 512 chance. Also whether an object is at the right price is subjective to the buyer. For instance Some folk may think that 10mil per node for a dread is chump change and a reasonable price while others may not want to spend more then 3 mil. It doesnā€™t matter what it nets the seller as long as the price of the ticket is substantially less then the cost of the item.

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Well one thing that is certainly dumber is folk complaining about this being a scam when they donā€™t understand basic math. I know math is ā€œhardā€ but try to understand your odds of winning do not change regardless of the number of tickets bought by the seller. Since you are always getting exactly what you paid for it is not a scam.

What you are paing for varies. Can be nothing, can be something, you dont know. x=0 or 1

Sounds like a scam with a bit of math thrown in for confusion. Also makes you bamboozled sililarly to common cons.

Its a lottery, not charity raffle. Charity raffle dont make the lottery organizer any wealthier, confusing participants.

Uhā€¦yes they do. A charity holds such an auction to raise money. The idea is they sell enough tickets to cover the cost of the item plus a profit to fund the charity (of course sometimes the raffle item is donated so it is all profit).

I mean it doesnt, because its charity so its not for organizer but for example hungry kids in africa. There is limit for expenses, its regulated by law for example here its explained:

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/for-the-public/Fundraising-and-promotions/Fundraising/Lotteries-at-events.aspx

I donā€™t know about UK charity lotteries, but most charities for hungry kids in Africa ( for example) end up using 80% or more of what they bring in for everything from advertising to salaries to event space rentals, nepotism, bribes, etc. Those hungry kids are still hungry at the end of the day while a whole lot of people have fattened wallets.

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You can keep talking nonsense about charities, but this is a video game, dear.

This makes no sense at all. Put down the lsd and step away from the computer and get some air.

And just for clarity - you are paying for a chance to win. Thatā€™s it. It doesnā€™t matter if you call it a raffle or a lotto or whatever itā€™s self explanatory - if you donā€™t understand what you are getting itā€™s because of your lack of ability to read not the game.

Your trying to talk sense to a parrot that only knows how to repeat itselfā€¦

That itself is so stupid it doesnt need any commentary. You are still buying nothing or something. Because that is effect of the deal. Something or nothing. A chance instead of actual thing. I personally like receiving goods not chances. Why wouldnt you want your money back if you get nothing, or the buyer paying full price for thing he received? Thats the best business practice.

Well yes, thatā€™s why I called it a ā€œscamā€ and not an actual scam. A scam implies making money through fraud, this is a case of the seller losing money because theyā€™re too stupid to understand how math works.

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For me, convincing someone to pay for chance is a con.