I See Vanguard Roadmap, Eve Online Roadmap anywhere or planned?

Is there a road map for EVE Online 2024 in the works? or is it all Vanguard focused the first half the year??

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Sure as h*ll hope not…

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Yes there is a map. No, I cannot tell you about it.

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That was super informative, you are doing a great job.

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Can you like… at least hint if 2024 is going to be Vanguard or EVE?

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Thank you. Posting the update videos, meeting with the devs and talking to THEM about things I cannot talk to the players about IS what I was elected for. You know, by the players and all?

Less than a month to heading to Iceland for the Summit.

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Some players didn’t vote for you.

Don’t let it go to your head.

Oh I know, a bit over half of them did not. I still represent them, though. Part of the job.

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It would be irrational to think that winning a non-democratic election, in which you can (and did) literally buy your own votes, indicates that you represent the community.

You certainly do not represent me, or many of the other players.

Don’t get too big of an ego.

Oh boy! I love democracy!

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I’m just glad to know that we have confirmation CCP will be continuing their policy of refusing to speak to the players. I wonder if Mike will tell them that some players think CCP should disband the CSM, and just try speaking to people who play the game. The cost of the Iceland vacation could even be redirected into some game development!

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The first (and last) CSM member who actually represents the players will be the one who, upon getting elected, instantly announces that they’re quitting the CSM in protest because the entire system is a deplorable bastardization of the ideals it is supposed to uphold.

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I would but you have assured me that I do not represent you so perhaps you could ask one of the other CSMs who might.

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See, you just proved my point.

You don’t represent us.

Not quite . . . unless the ‘us’ you are using is a sort of royal we or that of a person with tapeworms. If you do have taperworms I apologise for making light of such an ailment and hope the worms find better quarters soon.

btw I would love it if I had been rich enough to (as you accused)

but I won the old fashioned way . . . campaigning and talking to people.

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Mike, come on.

You know as well as I that you do not represent me, or many others. You do not make any effort to even speak to us. It’s also apparent that you make no effort to try other playstyles, or broaden your experience and knowledge of the game. Consequently, you solely represent the agenda of a narrow interest group, and you do not represent any other groups, playstyles, or viewpoints.

Furthermore, you know as well as I do, that the CSM is just a vanity focus group - it’s not an actual political office. You are certainly aware that the notion of “representation” conveys duties and ethical responsibilities which are not associated with being part of a consumer focus group. I am sure you are also aware that the CSM does not facilitate communication between players and devs, but serves as a roadblock which interrupts communication, since players are told to “talk to the CSM” instead of talking to the devs, and the devs talk to you instead of directly communicating with players.

In addition, you also know that you have spent years (well over a decade?) buying votes by handing out cheap frigates to new players. While scams are allowed in EvE Online, and I can understand why you do this, don’t think for a moment you are fooling us. I personally think the new players deserve better than to be tricked and bribed, but you do you. Gotta get those votes somehow, right?

Finally, you are also well aware that CSM elections are conducted in a curious manner, where one person can buy as many votes as they want. If you have an Omega account, you have bought a vote. If you have more than one account, you have bought more than one vote. Likewise, the people who voted for you also purchased votes. There is nothing democratic about that, and a “representative” cannot honestly claim to represent people when he has come to office through means which are not democratic. As I said, don’t let any of this go to your head, it wasn’t a real election.

It would be nice if you made some effort to discuss game mechanics, instead of just snarkily dismissing anyone who disagrees with you, but you won’t. Enjoy your trip to Iceland - I hope it’s in first class, cuz that’s one long flight. Personally, I think CCP should use the money to hire a writer, artist, or programmer and make the game better. CCP could speak to you by email or Skype, and that would be sufficient.

If CCP must have the CSM, they should at least implement strict term limits, so we can get some fresh voices in there. The CSM could be made more representative by choosing players at random, eliminating the undemocratic election.

“Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it.” - Plato

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Back to the OP question . . . yes there is a roadmap for Eve for where and what is coming. I am not teasing you but trying to answer the question while staying within the bounds of the NDA that we CSM folks sign.

I am hoping that more information for this will be forthcoming IF they publish our Summit Schedule and if not, when the Minutes come out.

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Mike could you please strongly encourage CCP to share the roadmap with us players soon? Thank you!

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Mike, let’s shuffle the deck and look at this from a different angle. First off, your role in representing the player base in EvE seems, well, rather selective. It’s like you’ve got blinkers on, focusing only on a specific group while the rest of us are just background noise.

About the CSM, you and I both know it’s less of a political entity and more of a glorified focus group. Representation implies responsibilities and ethics, something far removed from what the CSM is all about.

Then there’s the matter of how you’ve been securing votes – handing out frigates to newcomers. It’s a clever tactic, I’ll give you that, but it hardly seems like a fair play. Those new players are getting a raw deal, being used as stepping stones in your electoral strategy.

The election process itself is another oddity. It’s a ‘pay-to-vote’ system, where democracy takes a backseat to whoever can afford more Omega accounts. It’s hard to see any real representation in such a setup.

And while we’re on the subject, how about the way you engage with the community? There’s a notable lack of substantive discussion about game mechanics. It often feels like anyone who disagrees with you gets nothing but a snarky retort.

About your trip to Iceland – I do hope it’s comfortable. But honestly, wouldn’t that money be better spent on improving the game? Hiring a writer, artist, or programmer seems like a more fruitful investment. And with the wonders of modern technology, email or Skype could easily replace those face-to-face meetings.

Finally, why not consider term limits for the CSM? Inject some fresh perspectives into the mix. Maybe even pick members randomly to make it more democratic. Remember Plato’s words: “Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it.” It’s food for thought, Mike.

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You raised a lot of good points there Learza, I find myself agreeing with most all of them. I hope that Mike does his “job” (his words, not mine) and encourages CCP to consider some fundamental changes to the CSM, so that it better suits the needs of a larger community. In so doing, they will undoubtedly help ensure that EvE Online enjoys a successful development cycle, not to mention Vanguard. I am sure that CCP wants to succeed, but effective communication is a critical part of any plan.