I kind of wish PH had an epic structure battle defending their droneland home and then went independent and survived. I’m just an observer, one who doesn’t have direct stake in that area of space. It seems anticlimatic for the Panfam to have built up the region for so long and then to just dissolve without a fight. I mean that’s as anticlimatic as a giant coalition dissolving because sovereignty rules changed and someone forgot to pay the bills. Also I like watching reports of battles like the epic FWST-8 (I’m sure they are less epic in TiDi for people who were there for Hours (Ancient Gaming Noob)… but hey I get to watch the after-action report). Also a bit of desturction would do wonders for Veldspar, Pyroxes, Kernite, and Dark Orche prices.
I also liked PH’s idea to go independent. An alternative of joining Fraternity is a bit of cop-out. So let’s say they tried to move a week or so after a single large fight. Maybe they suffer losses on the way out. Maybe a few corps leave. But a smaller remnant would be a medium sized power block in eve. I think these are good for the game. Kind of like how I appreciate Initiative going independent. I am assuming PH saw that and thought this would be easy. The only thing I feel bad about this outcome is the rest of Panfam not getting an “3 months notice” so I’m kind of glad that in the real situation, as opposed to hypotheticals I might wish for, the Imperium gave them temp Blue status.
But the biggest reason I wanted PH to live on as a smaller power is because of their logo. You see that squid on a mount is one of the most adorable things I’ve seen. And it’s not like one of the corps from PH can just take that logo and use it for themselves. Army of Mangos, Pandemic Horde, Snuffed Out, Hard Knocks, Goonswarm Federation, White Sky, and No Forks Given have some of the coolest looking logos. I don’t ever want any of these guys to get knocked out of the game because I want to see them on the zKillboard now and then with that logo. Just as long as it’s not green with the victim being my corp of course. That doesn’t mean I want all these guys to always win, but I just want them to exist and so stuff, if daily fine, if much less freuqntly due to reduced size, also fine. It wouldn’t sadden me to see PH lose 70% of its players and relocate, but it does sadden me to see them disappear and that iconic logo only used for historical purposes.
How long did that corp run? I find it very strange they just scattered to the winds. Only 2 players held the glue to keep them together as a unit? I guess the Pandemic Horde lacked structure?
Back when I was a young man, I joined the US Army, now retired, but still active. If you run a corporation like a military unit, you follow the chain of command. When you are down to nothing but Privates and one Corporal, you follow that person’s orders to your grave. My point is you never surrender just because all the Generals got shot.
The situation sounds to me like people in the corp gave up to easy.
Same thing happened when CCP removed OG passive mining, once the space welfare of R64 moons looked like it was coming off the table a bunch of low sec groups merged in with Null, because at the end of the day there is a large portion of the player base who will cut and run the second SRP comes off the table.
Maybe some more smaller groups will come as a result, but I doubt it.
Tranquility will end up like Serenity in due time, probably not even CCP can stop that at this point.
I mean in the end it is a game. I would be surprised if American soldiers just decided “we’re losing to rebels and the general is dead, let’s become British” but in EVE people do want to have fun.
There actually was a struggle which I asked about in another post. Someone from A Blessed Bean was able to organize a breakout according to many PH line members, and I wanted to know more about him.
It wasn’t just because their leader stepped down, they were also getting all their stuff stuck in asset safety.
It sounds like the golden days of moon goo. I don’t think it was technically mining though since a barge would be useless.
Initiative was able to separate from the Imperium without falling to pieces. So Gobbins thought “I can do that” and somehow was not able to pull it off. I think it would be better for the game if he did pull it off, or even partially pulled it off with some assets of the line members being moved while others get stuck behind.
I wonder if he formed a 1,000-man subcap fleet to ref every POCO, Athanor, Astrahush, Raitaru, and Tarata of the nearby Imperium systems, came back, and then announced the move if it would have gone better. I know plenty wormholes who might just take a potshot if they open a wandering wormhole, see a structure in armor coming out in 2 hours, and less than 30 people in local. Then I thought better of it, it he made a ping “hey we’re forming a fleet in 36 hours” and then the subcap fleet did from, they’d probably be blapped while reffing. There is a damage cap on player owned structures IIRC.
Coalitions have nothing to do with the game mechanics.
Outside that, running a corp, alliance, or coalition in Eve is less about power and more about finding people willing to babysit grown f*cking adults, put up with their incessant crying, soothe their fragile egos, and do all the other sh!t jobs no-one else wants to do. People willing to do that should get some perks.
Was it perhaps too centralised? It seems that PH leaders completely burned-out and decided that this was an opportunity to let it all burn down to ashes and walk away, rage-quitting to do something else with their lives.
Yugoslavia was a country that existed from 1918 to 1992, I even rode in one of their cars known here as the Yugo. Just north of Greece and East of Italy, the country lasted 74 years the average life expectancy of a human. What happened there was an ethnics war and Yugoslavia was broken up among the factions.
It started when Josip Broz Tito their leader died 12 years before the breakup, but it did happen, and while the people are still the same people, it makes one wonder why it happened. Tito was the iron fist that ruled over Yugoslavia with his own brand of communist politics called Titoism. All the power resided in one man.
The life lesson here, when few people hold the stated together, when they fall, runaway, or die, it quickly dissolves and becomes something else. I would encourage the former members of the Pandemic Horde to stick together and build something else.
Roughly 3 years ago, I returned to the area formerly known as Yugoslavia, it really hasn’t changed all that much. It is still a beautiful land with good people living there.
According to many of the CEOs and some of Gobbins friends, it wasn’t just Gobbins, all of them agreed on going independent, it’s just that the timing was a bit faster than the thought so they assumed he prepared something. If it was burn it all down, why would most of the CEOs (or at least the ones told the plan) agree? And most of these CEOs are still active in the game according to locator agents. My guess is that the inner ciricle wanted PH to go independent but then when things went wrong, they went every which way with some going Fraternity, some joining Initiative, some fleeing nullsec all totogether, and some joining the ex-Panfam. I don’t get it though, initiative was able to separate from the Imperium despite Fraternity reffing their moons at the time of the split, so going independent while being attacked should be possible.
This happened to TAPI under Vily, who then joined Panfam and the same thing happened again. It’s like there is a culture of leadership abandoning line members. That’s certainly not how things are done in my alliance.
If you mainly just shoot people in high sec, how much support do you even need to give line members? Even with no support from above, people can always move things with courier contacts or hauling alts. Or perhaps you actually do work as CEO, I don’t know. I’ve found that between various null sec or jspace line members, a lot of the day-to-day things are surpassingly in common despite completly different corp size, intell gathering, and moving mechanics (no gates in jspace). So from my perspective, it seems there isn’t a lot for you to do as CEO other than help your people have fun. I doubt you do as much logistics as officers of various corps I’ve seen. If you take a break for 3 years, everyone else can still shoot things in HS, scop the loot, and sell the loot. But maybe I’m completely wrong. On a typical day where you are logged in for 6 or more hours, what do you do as CEO? If you need to blank out names of screenshots for privacy, Windows comes with a paint tool for editing images.
PH lost. Imperium proved itself as a great threat to the status quo. Other alliances will not keep silent. A Great war may happen in the future that will shook the entire eve universe.
It’s possible to lose a war and all your sov without dying as a corp. Wasn’t Karmafleet reduced to being stuck in a low sec system at one point? Mittens thought he could bully Snuffed Out, then a temporary coalition called Lowsec Voltron kicked their butt and even attacked all their moons in a few systems in the Vale of the Silent. The casinos then started getting involved, but honestly it didn’t matter since the low sec groups already beat the Imperium over and over both defending their own moons and attacking the Imperium’s moons so it’s not like they needed the ISK for SRP. In the end, Imperium lost all tis soc, many corps jumped shps, and most of its corps still around were stuck in a low sec system including Karmafleet, but they didn’t die out.
So I can imagine a world where the Imperium kicked PH’s butt, PH made an epic last stand that made headlines (and destroy lots of ships on both sides yay!), then a remenant survives in either low sec or sits on Initi’s couch or something.
And most importantly, that means their logo would still be in active use by active players. Honestly it’s such a waste to see that adorable logo go to waste. Even if they limped to low sec and rebuilt as a small remenant, it wouldn’t go to waste.