Seen this thread multiple times, but never responded to it as I was hoping it would die someday. It doesn’t appear to die.
My opinion: NO.
Your name is your identity in this game. Because of names we can recognise people at first glance. People we have a story with in this game. Corp mates you haven’t seen in ages, someone who helped you as a rookie, familiar names in the enemy fleet, it all makes EVE feel real.
That cloaky camper that had been in your space for ages some years ago, now you finally caught him. Would feel great if you recognised the guy. Not so much if he could change his name regularly to appear less threatening.
Alts are a thing, I know. But the fact that you need to start all over again on an alt and ‘throw away’ the main makes it a huge step to change names that way, even with skill extractors and injectors.
I have experience with the addition of name changes in another game (RuneScape) and it made me stop recognising half of my friends list and most of the people in my clan. And that’s friends, imagine what name changes could do in a game like EVE where you want to deceive enemies?
Names are our identity in this game. Names tell a story in this game. Don’t throw that away.
This has been treated multiple times in this thread already :
Selling / Buying characters makes this argument irrelevant.
Multiboxing and the ability to have X numbers of account with no restrictions makes this argument irrelevant.
The fact that an option is being available doesn’t mean everyone will use it. Your friends, if they are your friends, you know them by their names, you know their alts’ names (or not).
What would happen, if the guy who ‘helped you as a rookie’, deleted his account / sold his character / whatever, and comes back 3 years later with another toon ?
Would you tell him to delete this toon, and create a new one with a name you’d recognise ?
What would happen, if a “familiar name in the ennemy fleet” changed / sold / deleted his toon and plays now more regularly under another toon with another name ?
Would you ask him to stop playing the game, delete his accounts, and go create a new one with a name you’d recognise ?
Is Character Market makes Eve feel real to you ?
Not talking about the proposed features in my prime thread where i’m listing multiple ideas to prevent excessive use of Name Change.
But, seriously, “cloaky camping” ?
When you can create a fresh toon from 0, a T1 cloack module, and some luck getting to desired camped system ?
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Stories won’t go away when Name Change feature is available…
People with reputation will want to keep it that way, for the most part.
Only a very few will use this feature to “decieve” ennemies, and i’ve listed multiple ideas to prevent an abuse of that.
Decieving ennemies is already a thing : Alts / Buying / Selling / Neutral toon / Spies.
Yet you are the only one here claiming “winning”. Those disagreeing are stating why they believe it’s bad. Not claiming that a belief invalidates the other sides arguments. Quite different. And telling as to what sort of personality wants to be able to change names.
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Who’s claiming anything ?
Where did I post i’ve won anything ?
I don’t understand ?
This is my thread, i have the right to argue, as much as anyone else and reply to arguments I find irrelevant.
Freedom is still there for anyone to make his own opinion.
Their goal is to convince, mine as well.
I have not found one compelling argument why we should have name changes available.
I have posted reasons why we shouldn’t have name changes available. You find my arguments irrelevant. That’s fine. It doesn’t lead to a constructive discussion, but you can have your opinion like I can have mine.
If you haven’t found one compelling argument, it’s fine.
Though, saying “it doesn’t lead to a constructive discussion” is wrong, as i’ve taken my time to write them a Xth time for you.
My belief, is that you are upset by the word ‘irrelevant’, blocking any further discussion.
That’s up to you.
The word ‘valid’ is an opinion, just like ‘irrelevant’ is.
You find yours valid, i find yours irrelevant.
End of the discussion, indeed.
That’s still up to you.
You’ll notice that, i did not say : Argument#1 = Irrelevant**.**
I said : Argument#1=Irrelevant -> Because Y**…**
Discussions start, when PRECISELY, someone finds something valid, and the other doesn’t.
Your whole pseudo discussion is irrelevant. You just think it isn’t, but those who matter apparently think otherwise, else we’d be having name changes for years by now. Discussions are a waste of time when they achieve nothing.
Not one person in this thread is learning anything new or interesting and no one is going to achieve any change in this regard. This thread and its discussion are absolutely irrelevant. Not because I say so, but because there is zero productivity, positivity or change coming out of it.
Perhaps i feel like im not hug motsu, then,… i’m not very invested in this thing called “me”. Ever think about that? I dont care to make either friends or enemys, and certeily im not about to make a name for myself.
Also this argument has been around since day 0, when there was 200 players around.
now noone even have time for following hundred of thousands/million of “reputations”.
Also, why was there name changing certificate on asian servers?
ps. no one said that the name change should be hidden from other players…
its even commented by many as there should be a line in bio as “player was previously known as xxx” much like the “player was transfered xx/xx/xx”
Positive :
I know that i’m not alone, and that a great majority of people wants this feature.
Relevant :
Well i made the subject, so, this is relevant by default.
Productive & Informative :
I now know that Contact List limit is a thing.
I’ve changed my original post to add suggestions from replies i’ve recieved.
I now know that the only argument against is “reputation”.
I noticed that most of the time people talk about local and awareness, when local wasn’t supposed to be an intel tool.
We know that the big boss is not against the idea.
All in all, my post is the longest, the most productive and the most accomplished of all posts treating this subject (i believe judging by a quick search) and could be a focal point for all possible counter measures concerning abusive use of this feature, concerning getting and giving ideas about it, and discussing about it still.
While I don’t share your enthusiasm for this proposal, I would not have posted in this thread (to raise an objection) except for this:
I object when writers use rhetoric such as this.
You don’t speak for me, or people that I know who play this game. If you do speak for a “great majority” of players who want the feature you are proposing, please produce/cite your source for this information.
I am open to evidence.
If you are stating your opinion, please just state it as your opinion, and/or the opinions of your fellows.
That’s precisely what i’m saying actually.
Not only do forum posters are a small handfull of Eve Online players, but the one expressing a positive opinion or feeling are even tinier.
I also notice that the only thing you can reply on is my “a great majority of”.
And not the whole, which is positive.
Or, …
… hum …
… would it be that people want to have a polemic, more than actually discussing ?
Your claim of a majority was literally the only thing in your entire post on topic.
Stating all the stuff you learnt that wasn’t part of the topic was nice, but didn’t need any kind of replies.
So yes, all I replied to was your claim of a majority behind you asking you to prove that this majority exists.
I could have replied that the rest of your claims are bad as well. Just because I didn’t, doesn’t automatically mean I agree with them.
For example you said:
If you read my first post in this thread, you’ll notice that ‘recognition’ is also an argument against your post.
I won’t continue now with the rest of the things you said, but please don’t assume that that means I agree with them. Thinking that “people who are silent agree with me” is going to lead to a lot of surprises if you keep doing that.
