No. the failure is you wanting others to be incorrect, when we’ve explained to you why we say what we say and all you’d have to do is to accept our use of language and to add it to yours and thereby widen your horizon. So here you are, being dumb, and trying to convince us of your narrow-minded, petty little world you live in.
And yes, we are “mind readers”, because to someone who lacks the comprehension will our use of language make it seem like magic.
Maybe you don’t comprehend the need or just simply lack the intelligence to include details in what is written. If your primary language is English then use it correctly if you want people to understand and agree with you.
One thing is for sure, your generalized implied statements have no substance and are open to all sorts of interpretation. Just because you lack the wisdom to correctly express yourself with words doesn’t mean other people lack comprehension.
Anyway, nobody is a freaking mind-reader. The fact that you’re now trolling with that crap tells me you’re either bull-headed or just plain ignorant. Either way I’m done with asshats who wanna go that route.
No. You’re only slow.
When you came to the game and saw people talk about getting podded, what did you do? You accepted their language and you’ve added new words and new meanings to your own.
That’s how language works, and not only here, but everywhere, all over the world. It crosses countries and therefore most words have far reaching origins. One can read in old texts how people spoke in the past and so we know how language changes over time, too.
We are not robots. We are human beings. Language is not a code, language is language, and language is as alive as we are. It grows with us and we grow with our language. You need to grow yours, too, and it will make you grow in return.
To then call me an asshat is only funny, because “asshat” has little to do with wearing hats on asses, and yet we both understand what it means. You might want to add more to your language than just insults.
At this point it might make sense to go back and look the context in which this statement was given.
This thread is about a proposal of introducing an Implant extractor, a thing that would give players the possibility to handle implants as regular modules, for a price. As expexted a part of the following discussion was about the impact on the implant market such a thing would have, because obviously there is a high potential that this market would suffer as a result. One of the arguments against it was that this would take away an ISK sink, as a large part of implants come from LP stores. Taking away ISK sinks and replacing it with another PLEX sink is something that a good amount of players is vary about.
It was very clear that the statement “implants are an isk sink” was specifically referring to one role this group has in the economical context of EVE online. For this statement in this context to be true, it is not necessary that each implant is an ISK sink, because the group still is an ISK sink.
Now, if only a minor part of the group would come from LP stores, one could have said “implants partly function as an ISK sink”. But since it isn’t just a minor part, the only way to misread the statement is to decontextualize it on purpose.
If you decontextualize against common sense, you wave away the idea and common human practise to interpret each other in a given context. It leads to not understanding anything anymore. If other people do the same to you, they can pick apart everything you say piece by piece until there is really nothing left. While I wouldn’t mind playing around with ithat for the sake of seeing where it leads us, it clearly doesn’t help this thread to stay on track.
Attributes such as “all”, “none”, “a few” are commonly used if someone wants to put emphasis on the fact, that “really all”, “absolutely none of them” or “really only a few” of something is something. The latter for instance is commonly used when naming an exception from the average case that is important enough to be mentioned.
In such cases it is about specifically looking at the distribution of attributes within a group.
Here, the statement didn’t use any kind of attribute because for the sake of this discussion it does not matter. We already know that it’s neither “all”, nor “none”, nor “a few”. Decontextualizing on purpose in order to nitpickingly point out what we already know, does not go against the argument itself, in the context it was brought up.
It only goes against common sense and it tries to replace hermeneutics with an fallacious attempt to force language into binary logic. Language is not first grade mathematics and can’t ever be.
If you personally decide to abrogate the unwritten contract of common sense, by pretending that any affirmative statement that doesn’t use any attribute always means “all”, it’s your choice. People will think you artificially try to be edgy and disruptingly mislead the direction of the argument. You can do that. You can pretend that language would even offer the tools for a complete representation in binary logic or that it would make any sense to ask for any statement to still be true after you decontextualize it.
Interested what your reply to that would be.
This is an english forum. YOU are to use this language. In this language, when you say “implants are an isk sink”, this means ALL implants, not a a specific subset of implants.
- Please use the correct language when posting.
The default language for posting on the EVE Online forums is English. Please use English when posting as a courtesy to other forum users, unless the forum channel is specifically created for discussion in another language as part of our localized language specific sub-forums.
So, no, we are not to adapt to your lack of education. Sentences have a meaning, that you are not free to change at your will.
Go make your own forum on your own language that has no meaning. Claiming the right to use a specific language of yours is against the rules of the forum.
No. If it meant all it would say all, and it didn’t.
I’m guessing you both are Americans? If so then go to bed and sleep it over.
And yet that’s the meaning conveyed by this expression.
Personal information are not yours to know.
You are totally wrong there. Not mentioning an attribute does not automatically imply one means “all”. Only in very specific contexts would common sense dictate to interprete an affirmative statement as absolute (i.e. implying that there are no exceptions).
“Cars are a factor for the national economy in the US” is something that is true, despite some cars not being such a factor. “Hairdressing is a badly paid profession” is true in my country, despite there being exceptions where they earn quite a lot of money.
I don’t even know how you cannot know that. Do you ever talk to other people? Do you take part in society? Do you ever read books? Do you even live outside your own head?
Both your examples are wrong.
in that case it is false.
Because the car are actually not the factor. The term car refers to something else, like the usage of the cars.
I don’t even know how you do not do that. However keep your personal aggressions, you are not allowed to insult me.
CCP are making enough money from their ‘loot box’, ‘pay to win’, problem gambling model. Don’t encourage them further. As it stands, I’m worried Eve Online is risking being banned in Australia, along with a slew of other so-called games.
It wasn’t meant as an insult. You clearly lack some very basic understanding of context, unless you are being disruptive just for fun. I just want to help you become a smarter person.
i do want to help you become smarter, because I want to believe that behind your attempt to force language into binary logic lies your wish to be more critical. Now you just need to understand that binary logic is simply an abstraction for where a more complex analysis isn’t feasible/necessary/possible.
Context is surely something that requires deeper thought, a more developed understanding of things.
I think you’re trying to find the easy way out, by seeking the helping hand of binary logic. It doesn’t help here as it doesn’t in many other situations. As I’ve shown you, I can destroy everything you say, every last word, every meaning you’re trying to bring across by using binary logic like you do. Trying to hold up that mirror for you here. Binary logic does not help to find understanding, decontextualizing is often a fallacy.
May I suggest not to get too deep into the details of this problem? it isn’t ours, and when we are seen as being part of the problem then our help will likely not get accepted.
At this point can we only give explanations in hope they’ll understand it, but it is up to them to accept it, and otherwise for us to leave them be.
You are right. In my defense, I was thinking there is always a small chance that the other actually wants to learn something new, as I do. At the same time it is good exercise for me 
But yeah, in the end it’s not your, mine or anyone elses responsibility to convince someone. Anyway, that’s only something everybody has to choose for themselves. Some people are unable to admit being wrong during a discussion, but the apparent contradictions within their logic might haunt them in their sleep and allow them to change over time. When it happens, they’ll feel that is was actually their idea and that’s okay. Happens maybe to all of us.
English is not as precise as you’d like to believe. Hence adjectives such as “all”, “some”, etc…
That statement suggests that English isn’t your native language which would explain your lack of being able to properly express what you mean.
No, that statement is ambiguous at best, the context lumps all Implants into a specific category which is incorrect.
You’re definitely the expert on that, almost every single reply you post is like a dictionary with encyclopedic material filled with various synonyms and antonyms, all done with the intent to confuse the reader and hide the main crux of your reply.
And that right there is just a small example of the majority of your epic novel replies, pompous self-righteous confrontational bravado with mock concern that’s actually insulting and demeaning.
I’m sorry you feel that way?
Seriously though, I know that you are wrong and everyone who discusses for the purpose of finding answers knows it too. The question was wether or not Implants are an ISK sink and therefor the proposed, fundamental change would endanger that possible ISK sink. The answer is yes, to both of it.
If you feel the need to not give the mutual benefit of common sense interpreting, by all means do that. I’m telling you that this doesn’t make you a smart critic, just a dumb little prick(*) who pisses people off by nitpicking and adding nothing of value to the discussion at hand.
(*) Edit: Of course I don’t know if you are indeed “little”.
The problem isn’t that you don’t understand us. It’s that you pretend you wouldn’t understand us, when you know exactly what we’re talking about. The problem is that you’re being dumb.
English gets spoken all over the world. There is no way one can know for sure where you’re from. And it’s not about what country you’re from, but it’s because you seem pretty tired and worn out, likely to a lack of sleep. This happens most often on the weekend and when people from different time zones communicate with each other. Some get up, others still haven’t gone to sleep, and the tired ones create ridiculous arguments while they should have gone to bed a while ago.
Takes one to know one and you’re the biggest one of all.
Are you sure he is the biggest? You don’t want to argue about it first? Maybe I’m a bigger one? Give that a thought.
What kind of “all” are you referring to here? Eternal “all” for past, present, future? Global “all” or just Forum-specific “all”? Intergalactic “all”? What about potential parallel-universe “all”?
Also, what specifically do you mean by “biggest”?
It’s kind of hard to understand you for the lack of attributes you assign to your words.
Lel.