So all you want is a risk free easy game, got it.
Reporting every post that you don’t like is vandalizing.
Don’t assume everyone’s trying to be insulting? Why would you have such a negative outlook
Calling people “special snowflakes” because they don’t share your opinion does not present your idea in a constructive manner.
When I have to remove half your post to understand your point, sorry it’s a waste of time. It just look is like you have no argument and need to emphasize over generic terms to give credit to your opinion. Just like you claim it is “blatantly obvious” that someone says something he does not say.
A special snowflake for me is, in Eve, someone who want to be part of a fleet with a pimped ship. It’s just a term to show the absurd of wanting something specific when playing as a group. This term brings nothing to your argument but a hint that you have no idea what you are actually talking about.
Would you rather me call them people who believe that they deserve more than others? I personally think people who are selfish don’t deserve to post on forums and instead should go onto reddit where they can recieve their downvotes, but I won’t try to force them to conform to my ideals.
Unless you’re a developer at CCP, you don’t have the right to tell people why the game should fit your needs. Benefits that may apply to you may be harmful to others.
OP wants to remove implants, yet doesn’t consider how this might harm SP farmers. Sure, if you’re not one of them then it sucks that you don’t get free money every month. However, they also spent a long time building up what they have and deserve it. If implants disappear, they will take a loss.
Quotes nothing, not even out of context. I can also just say “yeah your idea’s bad it’s a waste of time”, but fortunately the other people looking at this thread will pass over stupid comments and obvious attempts to pass over the issue.
That’s literally all you’ve done. Passing over the issue by derailing the thread. AKA strawman.
You’ve misunderstood this thread for too long for your post to be worth the energy to remove the useless part.
Show us that you understand OP’s point of view, and what he wants to do. Otherwise you are just off-topic again.
You’ve provided no evidence that supports your claim. Literally all you’ve been doing is telling me that I’m getting the OP’s point of view wrong, yet never provide any evidence. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that YOU are the one misunderstanding?
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I have to agree with Anderson Geten here.
Nepsy, you have put lots of things into my mouth that just didn’t say or think. You clearly did not understand my reasoning and your arguements don’t help the topic. I don’t just want to state that without proof, so I am extracting some of your comments:
Nepsy:
“So basically, since other people gain more SP than you it’s unacceptable?”
=>No! That I myself get gain more SP docked than I get while playing is unacceptable. The same is true for everyone else. Noone should gain less SP, just because he is playing.
"Here, you mention that you’re “losing” SP. Just because others earn more SP than you doesn’t mean that you’re losing SP, unless you’re referring to losing out on value that could be used to plex your account. "
=> I don’t extract my mains perioid. Never did and never will. I’m only taking issue to the fact that characters gain less SP while playing eve.
“I’m sorry, but it seems blatantly obvious to me that he dearly cares about what other players do. If other people are SP farming 1.97m SP/month to PLEX for free, they’re driving down the costs of skill injectors and therefore driving down the cost of SP. Since he’s unable to do this, he’s losing out.”
=> Well I clearly care about other people in some degree, since I’m not a completly sociopath… lol… So you don’t care about anyone besides yourself? I don’t care about beeing unable to SP farm because I never SP-farmed and never will. I have around 8 characters with around 80mil SP each. They still are not nearly where I want them to be (: So no, I do not care about SP-farming in the slightest
“Why does he need +5 implants on the not pvp clone? To gain more SP for what? Sp farming perhaps?”
=> guess what, I want SP to beeing able to fly more ships more effectively, so I can play eve more effectively… lol
“Fine, I concede that there is a sliver of possibility that OP isn’t talking about how SP farms are making it harder for him to play for free.”
=> God ■■■■■■■ damn it. am not extracting any SP! Stop saying that I care about that! I don’t!!!
“Would you rather me call them people who believe that they deserve more than others?”
=>Where did I say that I deserve more than others…
“OP wants to remove implants, yet doesn’t consider how this might harm SP farmers.”
=> Yes I don’t think it’s an important issue. But furtheremore it won’t change anything for SP farmers anyway. If everyone gets SP at a slower rate SP are just gonna become more valuable. Suppy/demand for grade-schoolers. Also my main idea is to put implants in home structures, which wouldn’t even affect the training speed of SP farmers. This statement is dumb on 3 levels…
“You’ve provided no evidence that supports your claim. Literally all you’ve been doing is telling me that I’m getting the OP’s point of view wrong, yet never provide any evidence. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that YOU are the one misunderstanding?”
=>As you can see Nepsy, you are clearly not understand my point of view and your responses sent a shiver down my spine.
Also this stuff:
Nepsy:
" The people with +5’s who stay docked deserve to get more for their choices, they could very well undock and log off in space, cloak or tether and would still be untouchable. Why should they get to plex for free every month?"
“keep in mind the accounts that do pure SP farming don’t actually get to play,”
If you just want to SP-farm to extract, sell and plex your account this issue doesn’t affect you anyway. You can just farm the SP on an alt-char on the same account with +5s and won’t need any implants on the main you are actually playing. Furthermore my suggestion with implants beeing stuck in your home system won’t even affect your skilltime anyway. What the ■■■■ is your point even?
“I’d rather at least get the people who want to pvp to pay money,”
=> And from here on it’s obvious that you don’t see the bigger picture. If this game had no PvPers it would die out. No PvP => no interaction in space, no need for industrial stuff, no sov warfare, no risk in using officer fit ratting ships, therefore no need for t2 mods etc etc. The game would be dead.
After you said this sentence it’s clear to me, that you should have no influence in this games design as you would drive it into a wall.
“He’s saying that by eliminating the opportunity cost for pvp, he will be happy. However, for the people with SP farm accounts they lose out because those alt accounts won’t be used for pvp anyways.”
=> just use the skilling time and implants on your alt-chars if you just want to sell the SP… god damn it… This is obviously not an issue for people like you who don’t want to progress their SP…
God that was a shitton of work.
Nepsy
“You’ve provided no evidence that supports your claim. Literally all you’ve been doing is telling me that I’m getting the OP’s point of view wrong, yet never provide any evidence. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that YOU are the one misunderstanding?”
=> There was your evidence
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So you’re looking for a risk free boost to the rate at which you gain SP?
There’s also nothing wrong with the lower grade implants as combat implants. I find it worth the ISK and pre-planning effort to have spares to hand most of the time.
The other technical hitch is that I don’t think you can set a station home to a Standup Structure. NPC stations only.
@Basil_Vulpine Nah there already is a risk free way to boost the SP. It is “staying docked”. That is my only issue. People should not be encouraged to stay docked completly in any way.
The lower-grade ones are a way to find some middle-groud, true. But the basic problem sticks:
“People who stay docked, don’t play, earn more SP than those active”
I don’t like that as a gamedesign!
On annother note: Yes you can set a standup-structure as your home station. If you want to declare a war you even have to. (:
No. read again.
you can. 250% sure.
What’s wrong with that? How exactly does this affect you in any way, since apparently you don’t care about the market. If other people earn more SP while docked, they can’t use that SP apart from extracting. Why do you care about how much SP people earn while docked?
Actually, it’s true that I used to farm SP passively and it was great. Coupled with PI, i could pull in about 2b/month plus free plex.
I don’t particularly care about SP farms, but I do believe that free omega should be hard to get. If everyone earns 2m sp/month passively, then assuming the price of SP drops for everyone from 1:1000 down to say 1:800, then suddenly everyone can plex by earning a couple hundred million isk a month. Sure, the market will adapt but overall the final result will be that people overall will plex much more easily.
This entire thread is about one players OBSESSION with getting the maximum possible SP
No one does that, we play, we die, we don’t wear +5 every moment and we have WAY MORE FUN.
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@Salt_Foambreaker
Maybe this affects me above average, because I tend to think about things and not just do stuff.
However it is quite clear this affects a great many people conciously and even more subconciously.
This is the main reason why everyone and his dog runs back to station each time after playing.
This is something that needs to be adressed and fixed to make eve a better and more active game!
No it doesn’t.
It is not a code problem, it is a player problem, fear of undocking due to potential loss.
No amount of code can give you the courage to undock.
It is a player problem with a perception that you need to max out to compete like in other games.
No amount of code can curb your obsession with maxing out SP generation.
who said that ?
Just you.
You completely miss the point on purpose, and create an imaginary problem the OP did not talk about, to say OP problem is his fault.
another troll -.-
Are you kidding, that is the whole point, not wanting to “lose SP” or “lose Implants”.
And why do you care, OP your alt??
No it’s not. That’s why you completely miss the point.
Your “fear of undocking” is just in yourimagination.
OP thinks different…
No he does not. That “fear” is in your head.