“Complete Safety” and Nullsec is mutually exclusive. It is open PvP area. If you dislike what happens there, grab your guns and fight. Miners are killed in Nullsec every day, despite those big alliances maintaining a protection-system (run by real players, not a magic NPC CONCORD shield).
And a nerf of mining boost in general would hit Nullsec like everyone else.
And who is being too stubborn to learn how to null?
Join a mega corp
Show up for mining ops
Mine for hours
Give ore to boss
Log off until the next op
Show up for mining ops
Mine for hours
Give ore to boss
Log off
Rinse and repeat.
That’s eve for you? You have never once explained why you think that guy deserves 100 billion isk, but the guy who explores all of high sec, mines solo with every ganker knowing exactly where he mines needs to quit the game.
I’ll tell you exactly what I tell everyone else. Ive been all over this galaxy and I’ve done the vast majority of content here. If you think I need to go to null or quit, my home system is Palas. Show up with a moving van and several warships. See if you can make me pack up my ■■■■. Show me what Eve is about. My ships and a Concord timer vs yours.
Grow up. Nobody cares for you grabbing some scrap in HS. You are simply not important enough to even undock a ship.
Your idea of “safety” is simply nonsense.
In the last 90 days
1550 Mackinaw have been killed in NS vs 734 in HS
1433 Hulk have been killed in NS vs 456 in HS
308 Orca have been killed in NS vs 154 ins HS
1169 Porpoise have been killed in NS vs 113 in HS
And from all those HS-losses, we don’t even know how many were lost during wars which could be simply avoided by not being in a wardeccable corporation.
All that means: Mining in HS is significantly safer than Mining in Nullsec. And what protection Nullsec offers is even run by players, not a magic NPC mechanic.
Which leads to the simple conclusion: Mining in HS should only return very poor base amounts of income while Mining in Nullsec should promise riches. Case closed.
Oh so after all your bluster about hs not deserving of anything and how we’re all bottom feeders, when it comes to putting your money where your mouth is, you suddenly don’t care.
And no one cares about null sec losses when you all make billions an hour mining. Mega corps could lose all of their assets today and be back up and running in a week. Their wallets are infinite. They have more money than they can spend before these servers finally shut down. Trillions of ISK gets moved around daily in Null sec. No one gives a ■■■■ about 500 mining barges or ventures getting destroyed.
And as for my HS wallet, I can drop $25 and replace anything I lose in a day. I don’t care. It doesn’t hurt me.
I never did care for you. I do care for a general game balance. Which you are not even remotely part of.
Yeah so you are a credit card warrior. Suits you. 
You care about game balance? That’s got to be the biggest lie I’ve heard anyone tell in a long time. Quadrillion ISK in null and you campaign against millions of isk income in high sec. You took the cake there. That was one hell of a lie.
You should run for CSM next year. You’d fit right in.
It is no one elses fault but yours that you don’t make more money.
Finally something you said is correct. I’d fit in there quite well, because I genuinely care for the game and not anyones particular interests. And, despite common belief, the people in there are all very experienced, open for ideas and quite good in understanding the game and how different mechanics are intervoven and balanced. I know because I have talked to them and discussed with them.
Null sec is nothing. Never has been and never will be. High sec is freedom.
Null secs idea of taking risk is flying a Corvette or shuttle through empty space. That’s not risk.
High sec is freedom for you, because I recall you said you didn’t dare to undock in null sec without corp members online.
You recently showed you could do a trip in a covert ship through null sec on your own. That’s a good start. Did you know you can do a lot more in null sec all on yourself?
You can have the same freedom in null sec that you have in high sec, and more. Because in null sec you can attack anyone legally, without CONCORD stopping you.
I had a Hurricane, no ISK and no other ships. Back then I didn’t know what I was doing. You know how the Eve community is, Gerard. Ask for help and get led into a gate camp. It’s still that way- just fewer gate camps.
But I’ve seen Null Sec and I’ve seen the community. Nothing’s changed. I did fly into Null 2 days ago, remember? Made it in and back. It’s just like High Sec but no Concord timer. Everyone will destroy your ship given the chance. Everyone. It’s no different. I’m no longer afraid of Null. I’ve simply no interest in it.
And, Gerard, I have no fear of getting exploded anymore. I’ve enough money IRL to replace all of my ships if I lost them today. I just have no idea why everyone in Null thinks they’re god’s gift to gaming. To me? You’re all no different than any rat in HS. Everyone comes in with either a scam or guns blazing. If I dropped my guard, I’d lose money or a ship. I can count maybe 5 people in all of New Eden that wouldn’t blow up my ship if I made it possible.
Doesn’t bother me though. Everything is replaceable. It doesn’t matter if I’m in Null or if I’m in HS. ISK is ISK. I have all that I need.
So my proposal to all of the Null Bears hiding behind their Corporate controlled boundaries: Show me why I need a wallet of 5 trillion ISK. Show me why I need that and I’ll leave HS.
The problem isn’t mining and it isn’t “people abusing Orcas.” The real issue is that the Orca tries to do too many things at once—boosts, compression, hauling, tank, light mining, and being the backbone of multibox setups. Whenever one ship stacks that much utility, it’s always going to dominate highsec mining.
Making boosts corp-only wouldn’t actually fix anything. Multiboxers wouldn’t care (their alts are already in the same corp), and it would just kill public mining fleets for newer or casual players. Plus, boosts aren’t even the strongest part of the Orca—the compression and hauling are.
If CCP ever wants to really balance the Orca, they need to decide what its actual role is supposed to be. Support ship? Mobile compression? Mining barge? Pick one or two, not five.
So yeah, mining doesn’t need a nerf, and “corp-only Orca” isn’t the answer. The ship just needs clearer design lines.
Why would you need a wallet that big?
My wallet just has to sustain whatever ships I lose to have fun in null.
I’m not saying you should go to null for the ISK. I’m saying you should try null because it is fun. No CONCORD for people to hide behind, no weird engagement rules. And the ISK for some activities is better too, but that’s not nearly the reason I’d tell you to go to null.
I’m telling you you should try null because of the extra freedom you have there. More fun!
The Rorqual is the exact same. So is the Porpoise.
Yeah no. I don’t trust any null bear group further than I can throw my Vindicator. No more than any of them would trust me if they had any sense.
I didn’t say you had to join a null sec alliance, you can also play in null without one.
With your history I understand if you don’t trust ‘null sec groups’ at all, but keep in mind that not all groups are alike. In fact, yours was pretty different.
I’ve been part of my null sec alliance for the majority of my time in EVE and I know I can trust them, and they me. It’s nice to have a fun group of players to fly with. I can recommend it.
Sorry- flying around in a cloaked Pacifer with no resources or group for a month isn’t my idea of freedom. It was barely fun for the hour that I did it 2 days ago. Sure I could easily fly in ventures- they’re free. I could lose a hundred of them hauling around ore with nowhere to dock or store it, but that’s not my idea of fun either.
Or I could just afk rat in an Ishtar like most people do. Nope. Not fun.
So how about we balance highsec ore yields by making the Orca a lowsec booster the way the Rorq is a null booster? Give Orca a built-in triple stab so a single ship can’t tackle it (but a fleet still can), then tie its boosts and compression to a module that can’t be activated in highsec. A lowsec mining fleet could stash their hulks in the orca if hostiles show up and switch to PvP cruisers, while the orca warps off to a safe.
Orca would still have its dual role as a mini-Bowhead, extra-tanky hauler, and mega-Miasmos, so those highsec uses of it wouldn’t be impacted, and it aligns slowly enough that even with built-in stabs it wouldn’t infringe on DST’s niche.
Tank means nothing in Low or null. The Orca wouldn’t last at all. You’d need a fleet to defend it. The typical low sec mining ship is a Venture.
So make it tankier until it’s balanced. And there is a fleet to defend it, the orca carries PvP cruisers in its ship bay, which the Hulk pilots swap into when non-blues show up.
