Introducing the HyperNet Relay

No there isn’t.
It’s just a handful of forum crybabies who are making mountains out of a molehole.

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I don’t really agree.

Where does it state you can buy cores directly for money on their website? I’ve only seen regional market and the plex store mentioned.

In the EU, gambling is a game of chance (with money) for items of real life value. Even if you could buy cores for real money, the items you buy (the core) has no IRL value. Neither does the things you can buy for the cores (the ticket), or what the ticket buys (in-game items).

Skins can not have IRL value. Auctioned where besides the (illegal) black market sites? CCP will not allow anything traded from ingame to an exchange of cash. Apparently they allow ISK and other services to be exchanged. But skins? That has to fall into the “not gonna happen” category.

Just because you don’t think there is one, there is no need to belittle the collective worry being presented on the forum and social media.

No you’re mistaken. I KNOW there isn’t one.

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You know because you somehow managed to not read every single worry-comment or news article on the matter? That sounds extremely biased :stuck_out_tongue:

No, because I know there are 20,000+ plus players in EVE Online and barely 1% of them are complaining about it.

It’s adorable that you accuse me of ignoring comments when you yourself are ignoring almost 99% of the playerbase who don’t care about this.

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The people who suffer from gambling addiction in games like this would like to disagree with you.

Well that’s where you are mistaken. The vocal majority is not always right, and CCP doesn’t understand it either. In fact you have to listen to the well formulated posts being drowned in all the crying. Including being shot down by ‘opinion deniers’ such as yourself. If you think a topic isn’t important because people aren’t raging all across the internet, I think you should start forming your own opinions, not just based on the amount of rage you see

You’re literally the only one talking about a “F2P cash shop scheme.” That’s the not the monetization model in EVE, and it’s not going to be the monetization model in EVE. I guess you weren’t around for the summer of rage, because it’s funny that you’re so afraid of this stuff, but it was cosmetics that made people’s heads explode four years ago and now nobody gives a ■■■■ about cosmetics.

PA has nothing to do with this stuff. They have not gotten involved in any non-senior management level development stuff, to my knowledge. They have been fine letting CCP run things, because CCP has been hitting their numbers and they’re on pace for a $50 million revenue year, which is where they need to be. Adding this stuff right before Christmas is a good thing, because it’s likely going to boost revenue and it’s all non-core gameplay so it’s not going to force anybody to use it who doesn’t want to. This is exactly the kind of monetization mechanics that EVE has been using for years and that players have come to accept.

Because accumulating assets is not the definition of success in EVE - in fact, that attitude is one of the worst ones that anybody can have in the game. The reason why EVE isn’t pay to win is because you can buy as much isk as you can afford, buy the most expensive ships and the best fittings, skill inject your way into everything and you’re still going to suck because all of that stuff doesn’t matter if you don’t know how to play the game. There is no way to pay to win in EVE. There’s not going to be.

If you want to look down your nose at me because I’d rather buy plex and get my isk that way so I can go PvP when I want to play and I’m not forced to do mind numbing ■■■■ I hate, feel free. But I’m having fun doing what I want to do, not drudgery that I have to do to be able to do what I want to do, which is one of the benefits of living in a modern society. You want to be a luddite but pure of heart because you grind out your isk the old-fashioned way, that’s fine. Your ships still blow up the same whether you bought them with ratted isk or bought isk.

That’s not what they did at all. For crying out loud, the cores are no different than skill extractors or plex is. Some people will buy them for cash, some people will buy them off the market. Like I said, this is exactly in line with their existing monetization scheme so I don’t know why you’re suddenly butthurt about it.

Saying that anybody who isn’t actively trashing the company because of changes being made is “sucking CCP’s dick” is what’s toxic, dude.

Nah, these aren’t well formulated. Most of these are morons pretending to be armchair internet lawyers who have no idea what they’re talking about.

Rich coming from someone who is relying on an echo chamber of barely 1% of the playerbase.

So how am I relying on an echo chamber? At least expand on your accusations of my opinions, of which you know none by the way :wink: Doesn’t sound like your sources are very credible.

You are literally referring to people who disagree with you as morons. I think that says more about your opinion than anything you’ve said so far

“Life is a gamble.”

~Me~

You mean math?

Yes, because they are. Take a look at all those people who aren’t lawyers crying about how this is in violation of online gambling laws. When asked for sources, they link things that aren’t relevant in hopes that you get lost trying to draw non-existent connections (spoilers: because it’s not actually violating gambling laws).

So yeah, morons.

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take a look at the laws I CITED back up the thread. I won’t repeat myself.

How does “math” prove that I base my sources on some imaginary 1% causing some kind of echo chamber in a media I don’t even know that I’m a part of? You thinking some arbitrary number of guys are wrong on the forum does not equal knowledge of how people really feel about the subject. You falsely believe that anyone saying the same are in the same echo chamber. When in reality these people just share an opinion, opposite of the raging you describe which is literally the echo chamber. Everyone screaming because its the cool new thing to do.

That is not the definition of moron. You just spew this anger at them with profanity. You really need to learn how to argue constructively if you imagine you typing any of this is going to make a difference. And if that’s not your endgame here, then you’re just trolling

gambling is gambling whether with cash or with tokens. cf. bricks and mortar casinos, which have a strict 18+ door policy (most will card EVERYBODY) because it is the ACT not the INTENT which is covered by Law. Said casinos exchange cash for tokens which you then use in the chancery.

In casinos you buy chips which simply represent money, you can exchange from cash to chips and vise versa.

In eve, you can’t exchange any of the ingame currencies into real money. So no, its not gambling

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Did you know, some people play at casinos for fun rather than profit?

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That’s like saying you can’t drive a car without a licence.

Your ABILITY to operate a motor vehicle is not dependent on a permission slip, same as mechanisms for transferring ingame assets in exchange for real money exist notwithstanding the rules against RMT.

Gambling and car driving is a fairly bad analogy. One is a game of chance, the other is whether you can drive a car without a permission slip in hand. I’m not getting your point. Are you referring to casino chips? In which case my point was that the conversion of money to chips and reverse is legal and both is considered legal currency at the venue.

The game developer is not responsible for illegal third party black market trading, else everything would either be legal or illegal, if everyone had to cater to what the black market traders are doing.