CCP, at least allow us to actually close local chat.
1 Like
And youāre just here to suck CCPās dick and whine about how anyone who doesnāt join you is ātoo negativeā.
You can conclude whatever you want about my motives, but they are not relevant. Even if I am just here to complain that has nothing to do with whether or not my arguments regarding the new gambling system are correct. And Iām not going to get drawn into an off-topic argument about a ridiculously broad topic just because you need to make a personal attack.
1 Like
^ And you cant fix stupid.
1 Like
It still amazes me that there is anybody in the game who thinks Iām some kind of CCP fanboy or apologist. Itās like you donāt even play this game and you missed arguably the biggest EVE story of the entire year or something.
Your arguments are your opinion so theyāre neither right nor wrong. Theyāre just your opinion. Iām not making a personal attack - Iāve seen you complain about two things that have been traditional parts of EVE Online - gambling and Jita spam - and youāve been quick to call for banning anything you donāt like whether itās in game or out of game.
So, yeah, I am trying to figure out what exactly it is you do like, besides complaining. But hey, if thatās all it is, thatās fine, too. Youāre in good company over here in that regard, lol.
2 Likes
I apologize. Your probably not stupid.
So I revise my statement.
You cant fix naĆÆve.
If you arenāt youāre sure doing a good job of pretending to be one in this thread, insisting that CCP canāt possibly be wrong and all of the critics need to shut up.
Itās like you donāt even play this game and you missed arguably the biggest EVE story of the entire year or something.
Alternatively, I donāt give a **** about the farce of the CSM and whether or not you got your free trip to Iceland.
Iām not making a personal attack - Iāve seen you complain about two things that have been traditional parts of EVE Online - gambling and Jita spam - and youāve been quick to call for banning anything you donāt like whether itās in game or out of game.
Again, calling Jita spam āa traditional part of EVEā is utter nonsense. Itās irritating as hell, it adds absolutely nothing of value, and itās a terrible thing to be showing to new players. Itās just something CCP hasnāt bothered to fix for a very long time, and we should not be celebrating problems just because theyāre old problems.
And no, I havenāt called for banning anything I donāt like. Iāve called for banning things that have clear harm or that are bad for the game as a whole. There are plenty of things that I donāt personally enjoy that I have no desire to ban. Even with Jita spam I donāt have any desire to ban the scams themselves, only the repetitive flood of mass spamming that overwhelms any attempt at using the channels for constructive purposes.
Iāve never said that. What Iāve said is that the armchair lawyers who are proclaiming that the hyperlink is gambling, gambling is bad, itās going to be banned across Europe and elsewhere, are incorrect in their analysis. And thatās my expert opinion as an actual licensed attorney. Folks can have their opinions as much as they want, but anybody telling you - even me, which is why Iāve couched this always as my expert opinion, not as a fact - 100% that this is what the law is or the like is blowing smoke up your ass, which is exactly what I said on the Meta Show two weeks ago.
There was more to it than that, but clearly if it doesnāt involve you, you werenāt paying attention. Got it.
Whether itās irritating or not, itās something that every single person in EVE has dealt with at some point, thus itās a shared experience, and itās gone on long enough that itās not just a shared experience, itās also nostalgia and a reference point for the game. Barrens Chat and the incessant stupid Chuck Norris jokes were a part of WOW history in exactly the same way. You get rid of Jita spam and youāre taking a little bit of the character of EVE and flushing it down the toilet.
āClear harmā to whom? A small sliver of the population who canāt handle it appropriately? As for bad for the game as a whole, Iāve seen more excitement and eagerness to participate in the Hyperlink over the last two days than I have any other CCP release in at least a year - even more than when Abyssal Deadspace opened. I think itās pretty clear people like it.
Again, as before, you want to impose your views on the rest of the game. Donāt do that.
Suggestion for HyperNet:
Add an option for āMax tickets per characterā selection for Private Offers.
Oh really? Because I sure see you doing a lot of whining about my criticism when I donāt really give a **** about it being legal or not under some hypothetical legislation that hasnāt even been written yet. I care about the demonstrated harmful effects of gambling addiction in F2P cash shop games, and the harm done to a game by the F2P cash shop business model.
There was more to it than that, but clearly if it doesnāt involve you, you werenāt paying attention. Got it.
You got me, I wasnāt paying attention to anything about the CSM because I donāt care about it or anything related to it.
Whether itās irritating or not, itās something that every single person in EVE has dealt with at some point
Thatās an absurd argument to make. EVE crashing under high server load is an issue most people have dealt with at some point, and yet CCP continues to make efforts to improve the server infrastructure so those things donāt happen. Highsec wars were something most players dealt with at some point and CCP still effectively removed them because they felt it was harming new players and player retention. Etc. The fact that a flaw has been around for so long that most people have dealt with it does not mean that it should stay, especially when the flaw just got significantly worse.
āClear harmā to whom? A small sliver of the population who canāt handle it appropriately?
Small =/= nonexistent. And itās especially relevant when the feature is of questionable value in the first place.
Again, as before, you want to impose your views on the rest of the game. Donāt do that.
Thatās some impressive hypocrisy for someone who has a career as a lobbyist, a position that is dedicated to imposing the views of certain groups on everyone else, and who has run for political office to attempt to impose your views on others. Or did you plan on never voting for anything that anybody disagreed with?
Iām less whining about your criticism than pointing out that we donāt have a F2P cash shop system, the gameās never going to be a F2P cash shop game, that the existing monetization scheme has been around for years, and all the complaints youāre making now are a day late and a few isk short.
/sigh
Youāre just going to keep being obtuse, arenāt you? Jita spam is players using the system as it was designed to be used. Thereās nothing suggesting that Jita spam is somehow a violation of the mechanics or the spirit of the game, and thereās no evidence that new players are driven from the game by Jita spam. Itās a fact of life that weāve all accepted and you are literally the only person I have ever seen who has suggested it be banned. Even the guy in here bitching about the hyperlink spam wasnāt suggesting we can all Jita spam.
The thousands of people using the feature now would beg to differ as the questionable value. The benefits outweigh the harms, here.
Thatās some impressive lack of understanding of what it is I do for a living (I influence, I donāt impose), and the same for what elected officials do. I also think itās pretty clear that if you actually read what Iāve been writing in here this entire thread, youād know that Iām generally a laissez faire kind of guy, who wouldnāt be voting to impose his views on people.
More I read Brisc, more I think he developed some kind of Stockholm syndrome after what CCP done to him. 
5 Likes
On this one, I will agree with @Brisc_Rubal. Jita spam is players not CCP.
Dont want Jita spam, dont go there. Or only go when required to get equipment. One of the very first things I learned in EVE is to avoid Jita at all costs.
Just checked with the local regulations here in the Netherlands. I donāt think CCP has a permit to implement this hypernet relay thing in their game, itās basically a lottery and you need a permit for that.
And the excuses I find here on the forums donāt apply. Bold move from CCP by breaking the law.
If you buy all available tickets in a real life lottery you also get the price. So, I am curious about how long it takes before CCP has to shut this down. And yes, it is actualy real money you can spend in game trough conversions that makes the new CCP gambling machine available.
3 Likes
Well, this was always his senseless and annoying way to have an conversation. Same statements rotated every 4-5 sentences/posts, hammering your brains with his lobby style arguments, meant just to impose on you the ideas he support.
I almost regret now that CCP lifted the ban on himā¦ 
Iād be surprised if their lawyers didnāt already look at this.
Allowed or not legally, they are contributing to serous mental health issue in some of their playersāwhich isnāt a good thing.
2 Likes
its illegal gambling, thats all
1 Like
The first signs of the death of a game in 16 years. If you donāt close hypernet in the near future and donāt return the lost money to the pilots, the game will die 100 percent. Too many random mechanics in the game, now another one.
1 Like
Good thing that most of us donāt live in your country so we donāt care. Also isk and in game items have no real life value so although it is a āraffleā in technical terms it is not anything in legal terms because no money or items worth any money change hands. But if you want to limit yourself doing internet lawyering by all means. The rest of us will enjoy the game and the new feature.
Everything you wrote here is wrong. Thatās impressive.
Iām always fair - CCP isnāt always wrong, and when they arenāt and people are crapping on them, Iām going to speak up in their defense. Same as I do when they do stupid things and Iām crapping on them.
1 Like