Introducing the HyperNet Relay

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2337

Well, i quit eve a couple of months ago, because it just wasnt bearable any longer, i did enjoy explorations, i nearly vomited into my breakfast cereals when ccp introduced the new agency tab for " exploration" basically taken out the exploration part by showing u sigs in systems around you…i was like “wtf”…
i already was mad pissed about having to compete with gazillions of astero bots, and ccp come up with this brilliant idea…-.-

…then it continuisly got more and more annoying with those ■■■■ astero bots, everywherrrrreee, i wonder why?..pvp went down the shitter too, either u ■■■■ out isk to fly the new metas, and be able to afford he losses of those blingy expensive hulls and mods, or u simply fly cheap ships and have a much less target spectrum… or u go t1 frigs in fw space…which is absolute and utterly garbage, as its mechanics get exploited to the max…

so i ragequit , cuz the ingame community i was in, couldnt bare me complaining about this ■■■■ on a daily basis, any longer, and i just didnt have the energy anymore to have mad arguments with players who clearly are blind to reality, and it got super annoying to try to explain whats wrong, to another guy, every single day, or simply block those douches, …but where else to vent my frustration…

a healthy pause from eve.to come back with new drive and energy

like every sane player, i first checked on whats new in the game, before i even reactivated my account.

i see " hyperlink" whatever gibberish,i go figure out what that is…

i deleted eve from my pc for good.to lazy to download stuff, just to be able to get in character window for biomassing ( which i probably couldnt do anyways, i either let that character catch dust then killing it for good )

it was a nice 8 years.

o7 to all capsuleers who still stuck with eve.

fly safe.

dont let eve ruin your blodd pressure.

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2338

So you say it is legal to convert real life money into some digital e-currency. Then spend it on something ingame to get tickets(tokens) for a lottery. A lottery is gambling, gambling via internet in the Netherlands is illlegal.

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2339

Then report it to your government instead of whining here.

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And people not in the Netherlands care because?

2341

Not that anyone gives a crap about my opinion, especially CCP, but here it is anyway… Firstly I will never sell anything on this god awful network. 3 days to sell all your nodes else I loose plex and isk- …rubbish. Great for buyers that like to gamble their isk away, I spent “X” mill on 6 of 8 nodes for a tech 2 ship and still got nothing, so that was my first experience. I cant really search for what I want, tech 2 bpo’s for example and to look at items I have to keep refreshing the present screen… how about a scrollable list like normal… the way it is is too time consuming and CCP should be paving the way for higher new-bro retention, not sucking more out of their loyal player base… ( shame on you!)

this is what I’m seeing happening on big ticket items, ( would work for smaller ticket ones too I’m sure) like a Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field 1.4 billion ) – the issuer buys most of the nodes him/herself. therefore u have a pretty good chance to win the item back and rake in whatever cash. not very well thought out as this totally defeats the purpose of a raffle. Also if the tickets don’t sell… too bad it gets drawn between the ones who did buy a ticket. I’ve never heard of a raffle where u get your money back because all the tickets don’t sell! would make sellers far more serious about being fair when putting stuff up.

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2342

They originally come from the NES so someone had to pay real money/plex at some point to put them up on the in-game market.

2343

Im not 100% sure but wouldn’t it only be considered gambling if CCP allowed mechanics to convert plex and/or isk back into real money? their eula expressly forbids it and for legal reasons is why. If this could be done with their blessing a whole rasher of gambling laws would then come into play… however their response to me regarding taxing the plex i buy from the NES as well as taxing the isk I trade it for in game, pretty much clears it up…

Senior GM Karidor (EVE Online)

Dec 3, 16:17 UTC

Hello, Senior GM Karidor here.

As soon as PLEX are claimed into the game and removed from the vault in any capacity, they are considered ingame items in every regard. This means if they are being sold to players on the player market, they are subject to the same broker fees (which are payable to the owners of the station) and sales tax that applies to all items that are being traded on the player market.

Best Regards,
Senior GM Karidor
CCP Player Experience | EVE Online

-So once u claim the plex into the game it is no longer considered “real money” even if it was purchased with it.
funny though I never sell in player owned stations only npc ones so who’s taking my brokers fees and tax isk?

Ps. please don’t insult our intelligence by advertising this as a “free market” its really only free for buyers who win.

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2344

when the hyperNet Relay offer ends, is the random node chosen from those that have been purchased or are non-purchased nodes included?

2345

If all nodes are purchased it ends immediately and a random node is chosen to be the winner. If after 3 days there are still unpurchased nodes then it ends and everyone is refunded the isk that they spent on nodes, the item is given back to the hypernet creator and the cores are not refunded.

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2346

thank you @Algathas - so smaller is better if you want it to end soon.

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2347

It depends. I have had some end soon with 512 nodes and some take a long time with few nodes. Remember that someone can buy multiple nodes so in a 512 you might get someone buying 100 nodes. A larger amount of nodes with a Lower price/node means someone can get into your hypernet cheaper, less nodes means that a given node has more chance to win but they are more expensive. I really think the popularity of the item has more to do with it ending faster than number of nodes.

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2348

I bought 200 nodes in a 512 node pool @ $1,904,297 each node for large Skill injector and won. It ended sooner than I was thinking it should, so I’m wondering how this actually plays out.

Other question is, does the seller get the amount of money put in by all the betters minus the 5% fee when it ends?

2349

Yes that is correct.

2350

They are actually ahead of me and have a taskforce working on it.

2351

As soon as you convert real life money into pixels, it’s not real life money anymore. Even if what you’re purchasing is considered “currency” in the game, it’s not currency in real life. It does not have cash value.

All of the arguments calling this gambling fail on that point primarily. It’s also not a lottery. It’s a raffle. There are significant distinctions between the two. Lotteries you enter to win cash prizes. There is no way to win actual RL currency with this feature.

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2352

And your Government will decide to allow it or not depending on how much kick back they receive.

Edit; A last illusion for you now if you think it’s not legal for now…

2353

if they don’t all sell the buyers are refunded and the seller looses his hyper cores and the fees

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2354

you know its also illegal in belgium, and im sure in more european countries…so yeah people should care, especially ccp as half of its player base seems to be european .

i also dont get the excuses people come up with " as soon as u buy ingame item, it is no longer valued as real money, even though you used real money to buy it in the first place" XD…yeah right…it is straight gambling, with real life money invested.

i dont know if ccp thinks they are some kind of extraordinary geniuses who had the most brilliant plan to circumvent the obvious gambling part . they are clearly not.

as soon as you turn real life money into pixels…those pixels convert into real life value…, you guys know theres rmt happening all the time…so dont blatantly ignore the fact that eve assets are real life value for a lot of people, and the point is not if those people rmt illegal or not, they still do it.

im so very disappointed in ccps decisions lately. but well i guess PA overlords try to milk the cow and tunr it into black desert online in space.

i said that the day ccp anounced PA will buy them…and now we slowly but steady see the game mutating into the expected cash grab and gambling ■■■■.

mutators where the first typical PA thing tointroduce, now we see the rest of PAs plans come into action, and oh wonder what a coincidence it happens right when ccp starts its korean adventures…we all know korean mmo market is huge, and they have lot of money to invest into games, esp single men age 18-40 ( google it) due to different lifestyles , and they are used to lootboxes, cashgrab,p2w, p2c and all that…it is so obvious whats going on.

so if you one of those people, still defending this decision…you better get a reality check.

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you clearly ignore the fact, that theres tons of RMT happening in eve, dont you?
and you also ignore the fact, that IF you buy ingame items for real money, and those items end up being very rng heavy…that is straight up gambling.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/30/18203399/ea-fifa-fut-pack-points-banned-belgium-loot-box <–best example. pretty much same mechanic. whoever still think this is not gambling at all…clearly is dumb.

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2356

You are only taxed if there is a winner so when there isn’t one, you just lose the hypercores.