3 day expiry.
Things are then rolled back (other than the hypercores)
There is a 3 day limit on the auction length. Speculation or possibly confirmed somewhere that after that, the auction gets canceled, anyone that did buy a âticketâ get the money back and the person who started the auction supposedly loses all the hypernodes they had to use to put the auction up in the first place.
So really the sell anything, while it allows you to do so, really never will work to its full extent for pricey items as something that possibly is trying to sell for 1T would likely never amount in all the tickets sold in that short time.
1 Like
Youâd pretty much have to accept the possibility that you as a seller will have to buy some of the tickets and take a reduced profit so you donât lose your F2P cash shop purchase for nothing.
Really? A game where play sessions can easily extend over two hours on a regular day, that rewards long session times, where the biggest fleet battles can take 18 hours or more to complete, THIS is a game that doesnât reward addiction? The game people say isnât just a game but a hobby, or a second job? A game where you can purchase in-game currency for RL money, because when things die they donât come back and you have to buy more to get back what you lost?
THIS is what you consider being a game that doesnât encourage addiction?
Iâve already been on the CSM, and Iâve shared my opinion. Even when I advocated for changes, these were changes that impacted me as much as the next guy, and I routinely advocated for things I thought were best for the game even though they negatively impacted how I played the game. I never, however, pushed my own personal political views (i.e., gambling is bad) on CCP as they developed their game.
Again, if you donât like this, then donât participate, but trying to stop anybody from participating because you find it personally offensive is pushing your views on others.
1 Like
Apparently there is a huge sub-market in Abyssal Modules made with blue-loot modules and the money being spent there is considerable. Jinâtaan has a video on the subject. This might be an outlet for some of that.
I think this will definitely be a place for selling abyssal modules, and I know full well Iâve spent plenty of money rolling mutaplasmids. If thatâs not gambling, nothing is.
No, because the game doesnât encourage it. It permits long play sessions but it doesnât have the same âone more runâ mechanics that, say, Diablo 3 has. Your 18 hour fleet battle has a goal and a defined end point, you donât finish an 18 hour fleet battle and get a RNG loot drop that encourages you to immediately start another 18 hour fleet battle for another try at the RNG.
A game where you can purchase in-game currency for RL money, because when things die they donât come back and you have to buy more to get back what you lost?
Iâm sure it will surprise you immensely that I am against the existence of RMT for exactly that reason, and only grudgingly accept the PLEX market as a slightly better alternative to the third-party RMT botting/account theft/etc that would be encouraged in its absence. And up until now I thought CCP also viewed it this way, as a necessary evil that only exists because thereâs no way to shut down third-party RMT effectively rather than a deliberate marketing strategy to exploit people who canât stop buying ISK.
Iâve already been on the CSM, and Iâve shared my opinion.
And Iâm going to stop you right there, with this impressive display of hypocrisy. You made a deliberate effort to join the CSM so you could lobby for your opinions about how the game should be run, even when those changes would negatively impact other players. And now you dare to whine and cry about other people lobbying for changes on the forums just because itâs a mechanic that you want to have.
2 Likes
The game absolutely encourages it - it makes it almost impossible to do most of what there is to do in the game in a short amount of time. The company even acknowledged that was an issue and created PvE mechanics that require completion within 20 minutes. This is the nature of the game. People routinely log in 20+ hours a week in EVE, and those in positions of responsibility in their corps/alliances/coalitions log even more time, both inside and outside the game.
I have been gaming for close to thirty years now, since I was about 12, and I have never played a game more addictive than EVE.
This is a major revenue stream for them - they would be insane not to take advantage of it, and cede that entirely to the black market. It also makes it possible for them to allow players to play the game for free through in-game plex sales with in-game currency, and F2P alpha accounts.
I ran for the CSM because my friends thought I should do it. I wasnât going there to push my agenda on anybody. It doesnât work that way, even if Iâd wanted to do that. And, of course, youâre assuming this is a mechanic I want to have - I donât particularly care about the mechanic and I donât know if Iâll ever use it. But I donât believe in the kind of nanny state nonsense you and others have been pushing, where you use the fear that a tiny sliver of the population could abuse the system to their detriment to stop the other 98% of the population from having an option they may want to use and wonât abuse.
Itâs the âI donât like smoking, so nobody should be allowed to smokeâ style arguments that are anathema to me. (And, no, I donât smoke and donât like it.)
1 Like
I need some popcorn for this haha. Iâm with you Brisc.
1 Like
Which translates to a couple hours a day and an extended weekend session. Thatâs significant dedication to a hobby, not addictive behavior. Video game addiction is when you start putting a harmful amount of time into a game at the expense of more important things. For example, playing WoW 10+ hours a day and being unable to keep a job because youâre constantly missing work for âjust one more raidâ.
I have been gaming for close to thirty years now, since I was about 12, and I have never played a game more addictive than EVE.
Then clearly you are ignorant of the industry and havenât learned anything in 30 years. There are lots of games that are more addictive than EVE and have mechanics specifically designed to encourage addictive behavior: RNG-based grinding that requires repetitive runs through the RNG slot machine content to have any chance of progression, fancy spectacle effects when you âwinâ the RNG slot machine, F2P cash shop loot boxes, etc.
I ran for the CSM because my friends thought I should do it. I wasnât going there to push my agenda on anybody.
Stop with the delusional hypocrisy. The whole point of the CSM is to lobby for each memberâs personal opinion of how the game should be, meaning lobbying against the people who disagree with them. This is a ridiculous double standard where you feel that you should be permitted to lobby CCP against the people who disagree with you, but you whine and cry about other people lobbying against your preferences.
2 Likes
Then we fundamentally disagree on basic morality and empathy. If you think that itâs ok for companies to sell toxic drugs with well established harmful effects and massive addiction potential, backed up with outright lies about the harmful effects and aggressive marketing campaigns to get people addicted, well, I think itâs clear that youâre a sociopath and a terrible person in general.
4 Likes
EVERY valid option to make profit is acceptableâŚ
No one is FORCING you to participate in the âgamblingââŚ
Selling heroin to children is acceptable just because it makes a profit?
2 Likes
You donât get that there IS no problem right?
WFT are you talking about?
Are you really so daft you donât understand what âlegislationâ is?
In many countries online gambling in any form is illegal, many other countries are following the lead of those who have already put restrictions on it.
One of the main things the legislation in my country covers is, online gambling where real money is involved - Now if you canât see where this applies to CCPâs raffles, Iâm sorry but you should just stop posting now and go back to elementary school.
My reading comprehension is fine, your understanding of the English language (comprehension) seems to be lacking.
Do you "reallyâ expect CCP to acknowledge they are knowingly breaking the laws of several countries where their product is used?
1 Like
Not even close to a valid argument. There are no drugs involved. Quit crying already would ya?
The worst part about this outrage is that some people really seem to think they would have any influenceâŚ
Or CCP would careâŚ
All that counts for thm is the profit that Pearl Abyss makes with eve in order to safe the game from beeing shutted downâŚ
And by doing this any,and i repeat it ANY change that generates more money has to be and is acceptableâŚ
THIS is something all the whiners donâT get or refuse to recognizeâŚthat this is done in order to safe YOUR game and not in order to annoy youâŚ
And you are too daft to accept that 1) you can choose to not participate in something you donât like/feel is illegal without taking it away from others. 2) There are people whom live in other countries than you that donât have such idiotic laws. IF CCP doesnât have nexus in your country then they are not subject to your laws. If a player doesnât live in your country then they are not subjected to your laws either. Sorry your sad excuse for a country doesnât have world domination.
noâŚthey cannot see thisâŚwhich is part of the problem this outrage isâŚ
1 Like