Introducing the HyperNet Relay

[Sgt_Ocker]

@Duro_Peripar

You don’t get that there IS no problem right?

For BOBs sake, I do hope you are over 55 - the thought of the likes of you being the future of this world is such a scary thing.

Online gambling where real money is involved - In any form, is illegal in many countries around the world - That is a problem for CCP as ALL plex used in the game is purchased from CCP with real money.

A raffle is a game of chance and therefore Gambling. When it is monetized in any way it crosses a thin line and could leave CCP in a position where the game is restricted or even banned in some countries.
It isn’t hard - It is a problem

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Merin_Ryskin

Video game addiction is when you start putting a harmful amount of time into a game at the expense of more important things.

Because nobody in EVE has ever called in sick for a fleet, right? You’re absolutely clueless if you think this game has no addictive potential. Then again, since you don’t appear to have played in a year, I can understand why you’d think it’s not a game folks get addicted to.

@Merin_Ryskin

There are lots of games that are more addictive than EVE and have mechanics specifically designed to encourage addictive behavior: RNG-based grinding that requires repetitive runs through the RNG slot machine content to have any chance of progression, fancy spectacle effects when you “win” the RNG slot machine, F2P cash shop loot boxes, etc.

Sure there are. And how many of those games have been around for 16 years, with a player base that stays as loyal as this one? None. Not one. Those fly-by-night mobile games die off every couple years.

@Merin_Ryskin

The whole point of the CSM is to lobby for each member’s personal opinion of how the game should be, meaning lobbying against the people who disagree with them.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. That’s not the purpose of the CSM at all. It’s a focus group for CCP, chosen by the players. That’s all it is. You get somebody running to implement their personal agenda, and they’re going to sit in a corner and do nothing for a year. That’s not how it works.

@Merin_Ryskin

Then we fundamentally disagree on basic morality and empathy. If you think that it’s ok for companies to sell toxic drugs with well established harmful effects and massive addiction potential, backed up with outright lies about the harmful effects and aggressive marketing campaigns to get people addicted, well, I think it’s clear that you’re a sociopath and a terrible person in general.

Correct. You would use the power of the state to coerce others to conform to your opinion on what is good or bad, because you know better than somebody else what’s good for them. Spoken like every totalitarian in history.

[Duro_Peripar]

@Sgt_Ocker

For BOBs sake, I do hope you are over 55 - the thought of the likes of you being the future of this world is such a scary thing.

Online gambling where real money is involved - In any form, is illegal in many countries around the world - That is a problem for CCP as ALL plex used in the game is purchased from CCP with real money.

A raffle is a game of chance and therefore Gambling. When it is monetized in any way it crosses a thin line and could leave CCP in a position where the game is restricted or even banned in some countries.
It isn’t hard - It is a problem

no and again freaking no…

The REAL problem about this outrage is that most of those who outrage have NO problem with obvious anti-social players that harass and force other player into pvp,but on the other side a little gambling stops their world from turning?

I mean come on…how stupid is that?

99.99% of all other games on the market do this in one way or another SO WHAT???

It’s just a right direction decison of CCP and that’s all…

[Moardrek_Asteroth]

So this is online gambling where “Real money is involved”, because
Money -> buy PLEX -> PLEX to buy ISK -> ISK gamble on a raffle; therefore gambling ISK = gambling Real Money.

Is anyone concerned then with stealing real money?
Money -> PLEX -PLEX to buy ISK -> ISK scammed(stolen) through doubling, margin scam, etc = stealing real money.

Does your morality cause you to advocate for the remove of scams? Or do you have some form of justifying the hypocrisy?

Generally my thoughts are if you dont want to raffle/gamble dont gamble. If you don’t want to mine dont mine. If you dont want to industry dont industry…

Welcome to Eve, play it how you want.

[Sgt_Ocker]

I don’t know what country the rock you live under is in but i’d check legislation there and see just where the laws lay.

It has nothing to do with whether i participate in the gambling or not - The law makers won’t ban me from the game, they will ban the game from distribution in the country.

England, Belguim, France, Australia - Even a few states in the US (with more working on it) ALL have laws regarding gambling in online games.
Games that minors are allowed to play are especially under the gun, CCP allows minors to hold accounts so could well be subject to the laws regarding online gambling.

[Duro_Peripar]

@Moardrek_Asteroth

So this is online gambling where “Real money is involved”, because
Money → buy PLEX → PLEX to buy ISK → ISK gamble on a raffle; therefore gambling ISK = gambling Real Money.

Is anyone concerned then with stealing real money?
Money → PLEX -PLEX to buy ISK → ISK scammed(stolen) through doubling, margin scam, etc = stealing real money.

Does your morality cause you to advocate for the remove of scams? Or do you have some form of justifying the hypocrisy?

Generally my thoughts are if you dont want to raffle/gamble dont gamble. If you don’t want to mine dont mine. If you dont want to industry dont industry…

Welcome to Eve, play it how you want.

If profit is created every option is valid,simple as it is…

And again.NO ONE and i repeat it NO…ONE… is forced to participate…

All off your outrage is just a bubble burst…

[Merin_Ryskin]

@James_Zealot

Not even close to a valid argument. There are no drugs involved. Quit crying already would ya?

But I thought every option to make a profit is acceptable? Now you’re going to draw the line at drugs, because that’s the line you personally prefer?

@Brisc_Rubal

Because nobody in EVE has ever called in sick for a fleet, right? You’re absolutely clueless if you think this game has no addictive potential. Then again, since you don’t appear to have played in a year, I can understand why you’d think it’s not a game folks get addicted to.

Oh FFS, do you honestly not understand the difference between “investing a lot of time” and “addiction”? I’ve called in sick because it was a nice day and I wanted to go flying, does that mean I have an airplane addiction? Of course not, because I haven’t done it often enough for it to negatively impact my job performance or security.

The simple fact is that EVE encourages investment but does not have any of the addictive behavior triggers that a lot of other games have.

Sure there are. And how many of those games have been around for 16 years, with a player base that stays as loyal as this one? None. Not one. Those fly-by-night mobile games die off every couple years.

What does longevity have to do with anything? You claimed that EVE was the most addictive, not that EVE has had a much longer lifespan than a lot of addictive games.

Correct. You would use the power of the state to coerce others to conform to your opinion on what is good or bad, because you know better than somebody else what’s good for them. Spoken like every totalitarian in history.

If “the state should make it illegal to sell heroin to children” is totalitarianism then I guess I’m a totalitarian. Thank god I don’t live in your anarcho-capitalist dystopia where anything is legal as long as the state isn’t doing it.

@Duro_Peripar

The REAL problem about this outrage is that most of those who outrage have NO problem with obvious anti-social players that harass and force other player into pvp

Do you honestly not see the difference between players “forcing” PvP in a game that is explicitly designed to be a PvP game and CCP attempting to exploit gambling addicts for easy profit?

[HyperNet_Relay (Gallente Citizen 2115966813)]

@Merin_Ryskin

pouring unhealthy amounts of money into buying more ISK to keep gambling.

Don’t you think they’ll find an outlet somewhere? Why not Eve Online? Vote yes.

[Duro_Peripar]

@Merin_Ryskin

Do you honestly not see the difference between players “forcing” PvP in a game that is explicitly designed to be a PvP game and CCP attempting to exploit gambling addicts for easy profit?

No i don’t because there is none…

This “gambling” as you call it is an OPTION you are free NOT to choose…

Why the heck do YOU see it as a REAL problem?

And btw…after this is implented into the game it will be also part of the mechanic…you have no argument here…

[Algathas]

Last time I checked ISK has no real world value and is not real currency. Items in game have no real world value. Therefore your argument is moot and it is not legally considered “gambling” even if it is technically gambling.

[James_Zealot]

lmao someone ate too many Tidepods

[Dodge_Panala]

The people who agree with this…

Why?

This is purely a cashgrab by CCP, in what is a subscription-based game, where they already sell skins, apparel, and other in-game items.

There are PLENTY of other ways they could have made more money. They didn’t have to go down this route.

The biggest issue I have is, they say they don’t have devs available to spend time fixing gameplay issues that have been in the game for years, but then they turn around and force this down our necks without even consulting the community first. A simple post here on the forums, “Hey guys, so… We have this idea… What do you think about it?” …might have gone over better.

This IS equivalent to Monaclegate, but in a different manner. They banned gambling, only to turn around and basically say, “no, guys, its ok now that we get a cut of the pie.” Contradictory, to say the least. It’s setting a bad example for not only younger folks, not only our players, but the videogame industry as a whole. It doesn’t matter whether or not you can opt to use this “feature” or not. Folks DIDN’T HAVE TO buy the $70 monacle or the $20 in-game shirt that cost more than the same shirt you could buy to wear in real life.

This isn’t a “feature” that is going to attract players new or old, it’s not going to serve to retain players, but rather this is something that will drive players away, in much the same fashion that Blackout did.

I’m sorry, but this is NOT OKAY, and once again, NOT SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY WANTED OR ASKED FOR.

For anyone in dispute, I encourage you too to watch this video.

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Duro_Peripar

Why the heck do YOU see it as a REAL problem?

Because gambling addicts don’t have the self control to voluntarily opt out when given opportunities to gamble. Why is this so hard to understand?

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Algathas

Last time I checked ISK has no real world value and is not real currency. Items in game have no real world value. Therefore your argument is moot and it is not legally considered “gambling” even if it is technically gambling.

Items in loot boxes in other games have no real world value and yet loot boxes are being declared to be gambling and banned by law.

[Duro_Peripar]

@Merin_Ryskin

Because gambling addicts don’t have the self control to voluntarily opt out when given opportunities to gamble. Why is this so hard to understand?

You are making this bigger as it is and because you have no valid arguments and know it you drive the really big guns right?

Stop beeing that overdramatic over a slight and tiny addition to the game that will have zero influence…

This “gambling” is simply insignificant…

[Algathas]

FIrst off, this is not a “loot box”. Secondly I challenge you to name a single country where I can walk into a store and spend EVE ISK and buy something. Oh wait you can’t because it’s fake money not worth anything.

[Sgt_Ocker]

Are you really this stupid?
PLEX has a real world value - it is based on how much CCP charge for it - It can ONLY be put into the game by someone spending REAL MONEY.

A raffle requires someone to use plex to purchase the items needed to start a raffle.

I’ll give the the benefit of the doubt and put it down to you NOT understanding how plex gets into the game - Buy some plex, use said plex to buy the required item to start a raffle - Then after you get your bank statement (it should show something like - PAYMENT to CCP), tell me plex it has no monetary value

[Algathas]

Um no… it has no real world value. You can’t take the plex back out of the game and sell it can you? Nope. Has no value.

[Duro_Peripar]

@Dodge_Panala

I’m sorry, but this is NOT OKAY, and once again, NOT SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY WANTED OR ASKED FOR.

And?

Pearl Abyss wants profit and that is the major reason it will come…

You not liking it is irrelevant…

Get adult boy…

[Merin_Ryskin]

@Algathas

FIrst off, this is not a “loot box”. Secondly I challenge you to name a single country where I can walk into a store and spend EVE ISK and buy something. Oh wait you can’t because it’s fake money not worth anything.

It is not a loot box but the same principle applies.

And show me any store where you can walk in and spend loot box rewards to buy something? Or spend the F2P cash shop gold to buy something?