Introducing the HyperNet Relay

I’m too old to run as fast as your goalposts :smiley:

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You’re trying to draw a connection where there isn’t any. So there’s not really much to do here other watch you spiral around yourself.

If you wanna take bets on whether or not this gets CCP into legal trouble, I’d be more than down. Since you seem so sure of yourself, this would be an easy bet, no?

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Why not?

Guess what? The entire game is a cash grab by CCP. They made the game to make money, bro. They add things that can increase the revenue they take in, draw more subscribers and more players. This is what businesses are designed to do.

Like what?

First, creating new things that provide revenue helps to pay for the development team to work on things that don’t generate money like “fixing” the stuff you think needs to be fixed. They don’t make a dime from balance changes, so to get more of that stuff, you need more of this stuff. It’s pretty simple. Second, the community really liked these programs back in the day and were unhappy when they went away. Folks spent trillions of isk in the casinos and on Somer Blink.

They banned the casinos because the folks running them were, largely, all engaged in RMT.

They didn’t, and the community freaking out about monocle gate was absurd, especially since that became the paradigm in the industry, and EVE lagged behind on monetization because the player base went nuts.

We’ll see what happens once it’s in the game. I don’t think you can make this kind of a prediction yet.

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Show me a single store that accepts a bar of gold to buy coca cola…
Show me a single store that accepts stock shares to buy a burger
Show me a single store that accepts some shares on your house to buy toilet paper
And of course you won’t find a store that accepts an eve titan as payment for for your groceries either
Does that mean it has no monetary value? No

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Ok, how about a bag of onions - Can I go to a jewellery store and buy a ring with them?

Most things you purchase are no longer currency, that does not mean they don’t have a monetary value. Do you not have any understanding of economics?

Go buy a new car - Then try to pay for your groceries with it.

Well, that’s a courageous attitude, specially if reality ever challenged you for it. If don’t, well, there’s a difference between do the talk and take the walk, isn’t it?

And all in all, you will be able to gamble in EVE all you want now that CCP has changed their mind and figured a way to get a cut from it… although others see it as a bad move and might decide punishing CCP for it.

Ah, the “economics” argument, lmao, the fallback that every forum warrior uses when they’ve got nothing else.

So how’s the search going, btw? Did you manage to find the answer to where the Hypernet Relay lets people play for a “Prize” as defined by the law? Or are you trying to hide that and hope people forget that you don’t actually have an argument there?

All those things you can convert to currency to get the item you want to buy. You can not convert in game items into currency so they have no value. Your comparison doesn’t work.

I wouldn’t go that far. They discouraged 30k accounts out of the game 6 years ago. And another 10 with BO.

All of these have a real world “money’s worth” that you can exchange them for, and thus, they would qualify as a “prize” under the law. So… thanks for proving my point you guys?

Tell me what the “money’s worth” of a ship in EVE Online is. :thinking:

That’s like saying a machine gun, drugs or an assasination contract have no monetary value, just because you are not allowed to sell these. Still people are willing to shell out money for these things and they are certainly not free.
Just because you cannot convert something to money legally does’t mean it has no value

These things (especially the machine gun and the drugs) still have money spent on production and customers who pay that money to get it. It doesn’t matter to these buyers that they cannot resell it legally. It however still has monetary value.

No… that’s not actually what it’s like saying… That’s a very poor analogy.
Do you want to try again?

By the way, I will just remind you all that the player owns nothing in the server. Everything that’s being raffled over it’s the sole and exclusive property of CCP.

So they will essentially charge you real money to get their secondary currency and bet their virtual tokens on acces and use of their virtual commodities. All for the price of a tiny fraction of a cent of server uptime.

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dude leave me alone you please… if you think gambling is good you are already stupid as fuk… everything else is irrelevant… so i won’t lose my energy arguing… i just hope life teaches you a lesson so you can see what a scam gambling really is and how much harm it brings to whole society, given that the money you lose every week like a vegetable in the casino, you could use for far far better things! but now you would rather sit in chair with strange people and make someone you don’t even know rich… i would better watch TV or do whatever

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Good thing this is just a video game called EVE Online and not a casino!

Stock market is bascially gambling too by the way. But i’d support your claim that society would be better without it. ^^

a video game can be a gateway to real life gambling… not to mention… you can spend thousands of dollars in eve very easily so i fail to see you the distinction

Which makes it even WORSE and not better. You pay money, you gamble and noone even gets money back legally. It’s just the definition of dickery and playing on basic human emotions to take advantage.

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I don’t see where it’s CCP’s responsibility to manage the personal life of someone else. :thinking:

Um yes… you can. And people do. Just because CCP “disapprove” of it does not make it instantly gone. It does happen so yes, it does have.