Introducing the HyperNet Relay

Not true where I live. I had to “volunteer” to work Bingo for my kid’s high school for 4 years. There’s a guy that comes in twice a week and buys a $1,000.00 roll of tickets for Queen of Hearts. I’m not sure how much he spends on other games but no one has EVER limited sales.

Once again, this is utter nonsense. Temporarily converting real life currency into PLEX/ISK before gambling with it does not change the fact that you are gambling with real life currency, just like temporarily converting real life currency into any other game’s F2P cash shop currency before using it to buy loot boxes did not change the fact that it is gambling with real life currency. Please stop bringing up this nonsense argument where the precedent has already been clearly set against you.

Regardless, this system is not loot boxes. The mechanic is completely different.

Different from a game design point of view. I am extremely skeptical that the courts will be very impressed by the argument that minor changes to how the gambling works will somehow make it exempt from the laws.

You know perfectly well that this is an exception to the rule and the typical church bingo night/school raffle/etc involves an existing social group spending small amounts of money on an occasional event, not people spending thousands of dollars a week on gambling.

I only know what we have here. I had never been exposed to Bingo as I did not grow up Catholic. I’ve seen lots of people accessing the ATM :atm: (repeatedly) to go back and buy more pull-tabs. The church has a limitless supply of pull-tabs and bingo cards and are happy to open another pack. The bingo hall has 200-850 people EVERY night of the week and twice on Sunday. I think it’s sad to call it “charitable gaming” but they do.

That being said, you must be 18 years old to enter the building.

That seems to be pretty clearly crossing the line from “occasional charity event for fun” into “the church is running a for-profit casino as their primary business”. And I would be 100% in favor of treating it as a for-profit casino and requiring them to comply with all relevant anti-gambling laws.

You and me both. Not for profit is abused by MANY entities IMO.

WTF??? what are your doing CCP??? a f++++ gambling?????? You are getting greedy . I am ashamed of this update.

They set up a gambling system (yes in the USA raffles are considered gambling) and the only way to make your raffles is to pay real money to buy the core items from CCP on their website.
The items you can win can also be items with monetary value since they only originate on the CCP website for real life money, for example ship skins and injectors/extractors.
In many cases companies offer raffles and say no purchase necessary to skirt gambling regulations however in this case PURCHASES are necessary since the gamble requires someone to pay real money on the CCP website to buy cores.

This would be completely legal if the whole thing was done only in isk in game and didn’t require purchases to be made with CCP.

It’s just floored division, with a minimum of 1.

Are you speaking Wookie? What is this gibberish?

DEFINITELY GAMBLING

CASINO:
REAL LIFE $$$ —> CHIPS —> GAMBLE —> WIN CHIPS —> REDEEM CHIPS FOR REAL LIFE $$$

EVE HYPERNET:
REAL LIFE $$$ —> PLEX/ISK —> GAMBLE —> WIN SKINS/EXTRACTORS/INJECTORS (MONETARY VALUE ON CCP WEBSITE)

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You mean like literally every other game on the market…?

This is no “shame” nor it is gambling…

Eve just adjusts to the market that’s all…and for that the outrage is stupid by itself…

And “long term future”???

WHAT???

I can assure you if PA would have trust in "the long term future " of this game and in the profit it will generate they wouldn’t come around with this.

The fact they did it shows crystal clear that your “long term future” against “short profit” is just wishful thinking…seemingly SOMETHING had to be done…fast…

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Are you incapable of understanding maths?

you divide by around 6,500,000 (it’s more than that, but it’s a nice round number. you can work out the exact value if you want to)

You then floor the result. Which means throwing away anything to the right of the decimal place. You could also say round down, but floor is the common name for the function. Take it to the closest integer which is smaller.

If it’s 0, then you use 1 instead, as that is the minimum.

I’ve never heard “rounding” referred to as “floored”. What country is that common?

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not relevant at all…as long as you cannot win real $

All of this you also can buy ingame…

Relevant because people win things of monetary value.
Just like winning a car or other goods is still gambling.
But skins extractors injectors only originate on ccp website.

nope…no real money involved no gambling…there is NO,not a single law against “gambling” with virtual stuff…it just says $…

All has to do with winning items with monetary value.
Skins/extractors/injectors/etc can only originate on the CCP website and therefore have monetary value.
The key words are monetary value; it doesn’t need to be purely cash or money.
Again if you win a car that is still gambling.

well you WOULD be right if you COULD transform the stuff you won for $ in a legal way,like the car in your example…since you cannot your definition is flawed

Having monetary value is triggered merely because you receive items which you otherwise have to pay for. If skins only originate for $50 on CCP’s website they have $50 monetary value and I receive $50 of monetary value by getting those skins.
The fact that I cannot then, according to the rules of the game, sell them for $50 doesn’t mean they aren’t worth that.
In fact you could sell those via RMT and people would pay money for them so I would say merely the fact that there is an “illegal” market for these items for real $$$ also gives them monetary value.

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