nope…you have no real advantage over one that buys the stuff ingame or with real$ because you have to pay for this “gambling” too…and you only “win” ingame stuff…
So there is no “problem” other than your immaginary…
Bottom line…
And the mere possibility of using an ILLEGAL market cannot be a real supporting argument for you,you are joking right?
@Steve_Ronuken used the term maths in a previous post, which isn’t one commonly used in the US, they use math; besides that I know for a fact he’s from the UK, where maths is used.
You win things of monetary value and they have monetary value because they can only originate on the CCP website for real life $$$.
You can win ships also which also have monetary value because of the secondary market for RMT which is against the rules but which also assigns monetary value to all these items.
You seem to think that just because CCP has rules against RMT that means these things somehow magically don’t have monetary value.
I wouldn’t bother overly much with Duro, as far as he’s concerned a conversation or debate only happens when you agree with whatever batshit craziness he’s spouting this week.
This is fundamentally wrong, and if you’ve got precedent, please let me know.
All of the precedent I have seen has focused on the gambling transaction itself. The purchase of isk with real life currency is not part of the gambling transaction, and is thus considered a bona fide purchase of goods and services. These are two separate things, and the attempt to blur them together is where your legal analysis falls apart.
Most of the issues with loot boxes, at least in Overwatch, focused on buying them directly for cash. CS:GO’s problem was that the Steam Marketplace allowed in-game items to be sold outside of the game for cash, creating market value for the in-game items. Those were the issues there, and they weren’t bad because of gambling laws, but for other reasons.
Every legal question turns on these “minor changes.”
There are often exclusions in raffle and sweepstakes laws for non-profit organizations, but you can blow all your money on raffle tickets at a church fundraiser just as easily as you can at the craps table in Vegas.
Your arguments are all over the place, conflating gambling issues with loot box issues with everything else.
Buying chips at a casino is the same as buying plex/isk/nodes to gamble on the hypernet.
You can win a car at a casino which has monetary value and you can wins skins on hypernet which have monetary value.
The skins have monetary value because they are only available from CCP for $$$.
The car has monetary value because cars cost $$$.
You can sell a car for $$$ the same way there is a widely know market for RMT in the game where you can sell that same skin for $$$.
Skins do not have monetary value. You cannot sell them once they’ve been used for their intended purpose.
The car has monetary value because it is property, and it it satisfies all of the bundles of rights that are included in property: The power to possess it, control it, use it, exclude others from using it, and sell it.
Why is it incorrect?
I pay money to buy plex and then get isk and nodes to gamble with.
I pay money for chips to gamble with.
Once I have some isk I can play the game to get more isk to gamble with without spending more $$$.
Once I have some chips I can play the games to get more chips to gamble with without spending more $$$.
If skins only originate from CCP for $$$ then they have monetary value.
Using them for their intended purpose has no relevance regarding monetary value.
Something has monetary value if it otherwise costs $$$ to get which skins do.
If you want to say skins can be traded in game for isk thats the same as trading a car for other items but that doesn’t mean a car suddenly has no monetary value.
Something has monetary value because it costs $$$ to receive it.
I would say if I can tell my buddy for $50 I will give him a skin and I can make $50 that item has monetary value.
EVE has had RMT going on for many years. Is this a serious question?
I don’t do RMT or condone it however it still exists and people make $$$ from it.
do find this whole thing comical like i wanna farm isk off the addict npcs and dont realy care what others say its ccp afterall right? they decide if it happans and they see $$$ so why wouldnt they do it
honestly i never touch the forums normaly its never got anything worth reading pluss i always get called a sociopath so its not something i tend to look at…like iv said everyone in eve is realy just a highly advanced AI program emulating people