Introducing the HyperNet Relay

[Ms_Steak]

@Brisc_Rubal

It’s not loot boxes, and it’s not RNG for an undisclosed item.

Its still gambling that CCP was strictly against in the past.

[Anderson_Geten]

@WubbaLubba_DubbDubb

The only difference is the box has set contents and everyone gets something. To the individual this seems very similar to a loot box.

There are actually two differences : first, the one you made. Second, no item is (so far) generated ex nihilo.
Therefore it’s not a loot box. IT’s a raffle.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

On top of it being a ■■■■■■■■ gambling scheme.

Notice how the results are magically delivered anywhere in New Eden?

■■■■ Haulers.

This game is over, care bears have taken over the dev team, next we will have instant travel.

[Rosewalker]

I noticed that the dev blog didn’t have a list of countries where the feature will not be available. Will that be published before it launches?

(Noizy btw)

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Ms_Steak

Its still gambling that CCP was strictly against in the past.

The past is gone, the current dev team are rejects from WoW.

[Gerard_Amatin]

@Hey_Kids

Hang on a second, people can buy tokens with Irl money and gamble on in game ships? Does CCP seriously not see anything wrong with this?

The tokens (HyperCores) bought with IRL money are used to sell an item through the HyperNet Relay.
If I understand it correctly, the people who want to buy stuff from the HyperNet Relay do so with ISK to enter the raffle.*

*(Please tell me if I’m wrong in this assumption, it would look pretty bad for CCP if people could only join the raffle with IRL money)

As such, it is not a lootbox for IRL money as I thought it would be on first sight.
Instead, it’s a method where players with expensive/rare items can use IRL money to easily ‘sell’ those items such as well rolled abyssals or AT ships anywhere, because the restrictions of (1) station trading and (2) a buyer with enough money, are both gone in the HyperNet Relay.

Anyone can buy from the HyperNet Relay wherever you are in space and you don’t need to be able to afford a full AT ship to pay the guy who’s selling it, because you can pay 1/100th of the AT ship for a 1% chance at getting the ship if you want to do so. Or pay half the ship for 50% chance.

Seems nice to me.

[Christy_Cloud]

ahahahahahahahahh.
What in the actual ****?

Get out.

You blatantly knew the details of this, but conveniently omitted all but the barest mentions at the in person events because you knew the utter ■■■■ storm it’d spawn.

[Wavemistress_Moidel]

I see we can trade BPC’s does that mean we will finally get them monetized instead of being classed as zero isk?

[Entity_Stonadis]

There is no dev team anymore, ni hao chiane has taken over our beautiful game.

[Duro_Peripar]

Guys…all of you…

If you REALLY like the overdramatic style read some shakespeare but stop spamming the forum with it…

[Buoytender_Bob]

Did EVE gameplay suffer because we didn’t have this feature? No
Did groups of people have an advantage because we didn’t have this feature? No
Did the lack of this feature cause players to leave EVE? Highly doubtful.
Did a large group of people clamor for this feature? No, just a few loud voices.

The bottom line is PA’s bottom line; EVE was not generating enough of a profit for the Korean overlords and this was a relative easy extention of existing NES products. Will it improve the game? What do you think?

[Duro_Peripar]

@Entity_Stonadis

There is no dev team anymore, ni hao chiane has taken over our beautiful game.

Yeah… Wǒ yě ài nǐ

[Arrendis]

@Jaiden_Solo

CCP used to employ an economist. They don’t any more.

True story.

I miss Dr. E.

@Stille_Nacht

Yes, I meant why use a different “currency” instead of simply continuing to use PLEX.

Because they want to build in a raffle system, and unless you can write your name directly on a PLEX, you need something else to be your ticket.

@Salt_Foambreaker

Notice how the results are magically delivered anywhere in New Eden?

Any item that a player claims will be placed in their item hangar in the location where the offer was created, to be picked up at any time.

No, the results are magically delivered to the station they were already in. You gotta go get 'em.

[Ms_Steak]

@Smertyukovitch

start selling cat ears, tails and boob enlargers, since that’s the direction you’ve taken.

This i fully support. They are just cosmetic changes that do not affect gameplay

[Kezrai_Charzai]

@Brisc_Rubal

In fact, as far as I can tell, video game addiction itself has higher rates of occurrence.

This is the key issue, really. SJW’s have gotten into the habit of making a lot of noise about ‘trigger’ issues, with barely a spot of evidence to demonstrate that the problem is a real issue.

Raffles are not heroin. Lootboxes are gambling, but they aren’t the same thing as actual, real dollar, on-line gambling. Raffles aren’t lootboxes. While RNG based, they are even less ‘gambling’ than lootboxes are. People who feel the need to claim “raffles are heroin, all on-line gambling is bad and exploits addiction” simply aren’t even aware of the relative impact of these issues against other, far more real issues.

I’ve got some friends who deal professionally with internet addiction issues. On-line gambling (poker, slot machines etc.) is significant. Video game addiction is a far greater issue than lootbox gambling, or gambling within the games people are addicted to (which barely even registers in their practice). Facebook addiction (social media in general) and Youtube addictions have considerably more impact on people’s lives and relationships. Various types of smartphone-linked ‘addictions’ are becoming more prevalent. (And the word ‘addiction’ just keeps getting wider and wider.)

When someone has the argument “gambling in a game is bad” (ignoring that every weapon hit and loot drop in the game is an RNG-based gamble) because “gambling exploits addiction”, they are in effect saying “Online gaming is bad, and must be removed”. They just don’t realize it.

[Maekchu]

@Gerard_Amatin

If I understand it correctly, the tokens (HyperCores) bought with IRL money are only used to sell an item through the HyperNet Relay.
People who want to enter the raffle (and do the gambling part) do so with ISK.

As such, it is not a lootbox for IRL money as I was afraid it would be on first sight. It’s a method where you can use IRL money to easily ‘sell’ your rare items such as well rolled abyssals or AT ships anywhere, because the restrictions of (1) station trading and (2) a buyer with enough money are both gone in the HyperNet Relay.

Missed the part that only putting up the order itself costs HyperCores. With that information, then it indeed is not a lootbox.

Still kinda disappointed, that this and trigs is what is being prioritized by CCP. Not improving/rebalancing on already existing systems.

[Arrendis]

Short form: Brisc was removed from the CSM and banned because he was wrongly accused of violating NDA. After doing this and making an incredibly stupid public statement telling everyone they’d done it, CCP decided ‘you know, maybe we should respond to the public outcry by, I dunno, actually looking into the accusation and seeing if it’s even real?’

It wasn’t.

They reversed the bans, publicly apologized, and basically looked like idiots over the whole thing, while Brisc was able to be very gracious and just thank them for sorting things out in the end.

[Abe_Rollin]

Except that the legal gambling age in most US States is 21: If you are over 18 & under 21 in many States you are still legally under the guardianship of your parents.

CCP EULA “If you are between 13 and 18 years of age, you must have the permission of your parent or guardian to before providing the personal information required to create an EVE Online game or website account.”

For example In New Jersey - N.J.S.A. § 5:12-119 makes it a disorderly persons offense to gamble under the age of 21. Legally under age gambling (with or without parental consent) - raffles are considered gambling - could cost you $1000 fine & 6 months in jail.

[Duro_Peripar]

@Arrendis

Short form: Brisc was removed from the CSM and banned because he was wrongly accused of violating NDA. After doing this and making an incredibly stupid public statement telling everyone they’d done it, CCP decided ‘you know, maybe we should respond to the public outcry by, I dunno, actually looking into the accusation and seeing if it’s even real?’

It wasn’t.

They reversed the bans, publicly apologized, and basically looked like idiots over the whole thing, while Brisc was able to be very gracious and just thank them for sorting things out in the end.

Sign of the time…

All you have to say about it…your outrage will not change the decisions of pearl abyss(the OWNER of CCP(something some people here obviously didn’t understood until now))

And btw i said that stuff like this(loot boxes) will happen MONTHS ago but -as always- was yelled down…but this is just a side note…

[Kanzero]

Hrrrrr.