EULA Section 10, in it’s entirety, but specifically “Violation of CCP’s proprietary rights is a material breach of the EULA, in the event of which CCP may suspend your Account, terminate the EULA and take whatever additional action CCP deems appropriate under the circumstance. The foregoing is without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP’s other rights and remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative.”
I don’t know what else to tell you, dude. Everything you’re saying is wrong.
There is case law on both sides of the argument regarding whether EULAs are enforceable or whether they’re invalid contracts of adhesion, but in the end, everybody still uses them for a reason - they are an industry standard and they provide players and the company with some kind of certainty about what’s okay and what’s not okay.
CCP can ban you for whatever the want and generally you have no legal recourse. I know this from experience.
For them to claim losses they would need to state in game items have monetary value however isn’t your argument that they don’t?
If all these in game items have no monetary value then CCP doesn’t have any losses if someone gets another to give money for them.
I doubt CCP wants to go to a court and claim all these items which are being gambled away with their new system have monetary values.
I doubt it. Thanks for the entertainment. Of all things, I have to go gamble! Something I normally never do, but even if I lose (and I will) It’s worth the small price to get together with some old friends!
You made money by appropriating their intellectual property, which is how all of this is discussed in the EULA (the phrase they use is “proprietary rights”). They are trying to recover the money you generated from their IP.
You’re being pendantic. But at least you aren’t criticizing my parenting, so you’re not as big a colossal idiot as the other guy.
Ok, you found a generic “CCP will do whatever they want” section of the EULA, not sure what that has to do with anything. But it’s a textbook example of the kind of thing that is found to be unenforceable because it is so hopelessly vague and one-sided.
CCP can ban you for whatever the want and generally you have no legal recourse.
Well yes, nobody is disputing the fact that CCP can ban people for whatever they feel like. The point is that RMT sales are not illegal. If I sell my EVE account to someone I am not breaking any law, the police will not get involved, the bank will not reverse the transaction and take away my money, etc.
Generating money from an IP is not illegal. I have every right to sell a book to someone and the publisher/author can not sue me for the money I receive just because I’m “making money from their IP”.
At least they would need to state it has value and stop the gambling system.
Also the EULA doesn’t say anything about them being able to get someone to pay money back.
Again, this is pure pedantry. It’s the equivalent of saying “we didn’t actually ban abortion, we just made it impossible for anybody to operate an abortion clinic so nobody can do it in our state.”
By making it impossible to do safely and legally, you’ve essentially prohibited it, regardless of whether there’s a criminal statute on the books.
Do you understand the difference between selling an item that you possess and using copyrighted material in a video? You sure don’t seem to, and that difference is huge.
It is not impossible to do it safely and legally on a small scale. RMT botting or large-scale ISK selling will get you banned but buying an account/character is undetectable and extremely unlikely to result in a ban.
seen you on the meta show mate, personaly id say its rather pointless to argue with these people its like talking to flat earthers who think the world is ran by lizards. there just that set in there gut feeling and live in echo chambers that its so messed up to them that someone might fart and disrupt their perfect echos.
I for one want this new thing to land so i can farm isk of the idiots in eve and I lack the care and respect to see them as anything more than a entry in my wallet history.
you seem to not understand whats going on outside your echo chamber mate. a fool and his money are easily parted and ccp deserve every penny these fools might own. Better than some random website getting it right? Atleast ccp can fun something we can meme about with the money rather than it disapearing in a black hole right?
I fully understand the difference. I don’t think you understand the difference. That’s the problem. You’re equating items in EVE with books when you should be treating them like songs or e-books. Things you’ve got a license for to use, not objects you can possess.
There are valid, in-game ways to sell accounts and characters, and if you think folks don’t get banned for selling them outside those channels, you should probably have a conversation with any GM or CCP Peligro.
Yes, we’ve established that you’re a sociopath who doesn’t care who you hurt as long as you make ISK from it. The only question here is why you’re so proud of this character flaw and bragging about it to everyone who will listen.
because i dont see it as bad as you tend to make me out to be… sure i dont actualy care about these people who are around fighting and stuff why should i care about the random under 18 year old or the random addict? i got accounts to plex and there idiotic actions can help fund said accounts so why shoud i care?
i checked with some other online dr and apparantly im no more a sociopath then the average person in my age group so iv recovered!!!
