Checking the various preceding posters’s history, there do seem to be a few who’ve only been on the forums a very short time, and only ever posted on this thread. I suspect an alt-campaign at work here.
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Security is a commodity, if you can’t afford it go to hell or doomheim i might say.
a 1000 time i’ll chose sociopaths over idiots.
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Personally, non personally, what does that even mean? The question you are posing is used too ridiculously often to ignore the content of critique by wrongfully presenting it as the outcome of “personal” offense. I said the combination of calling names and invocation of executive powers creates friction and does not make for a good discussion culture.
It may be hard to grasp for you, so let me make a generalization to make it easier: whenever someone is using superior power, they are setting example with how they’re doing it. The way they’re using it, can earn them respect for using it in reasonable circumstances, for good reasons, as a last resort, with good explanation - you name it. It can also make them look like autocrates, unreasonable and irascible.
Of course I assume that his reaction was towards negative trolls, but why not just let us deal with them or outright ban them, if they overstep the code of conduct? I was not the only one who felt like the thread was closed prematurely and in a manner that was a bit harsh. That’s all. No offense taken and no meant.
It is not about who did right or wrong, it was taking this example to argue for the positive side of controversial discussions. Differentiation between negative trolls and passionate criticism is needed to allow for a controversial, yet healthy forum discussion. You may not know or understand it, but a communication culture of constructive criticism makes for a much more healthy (and realistic) environment for … for instance a game.
If you personally can’t deal with that, it’s okay. But it means you can’t use such controversial discussion for any advantage, such as becoming better, aiming higher, growing stronger. It’s a source of strenght, not an annoyance.
Edit: if you don’t agree, just look at what normally happens in countries where people get both silenced and ridiculed for their opinion. Even the people who don’t agree with the negative criticism, start to resent the leaders. You either ridicule them with wits or you ban them because they breach the code of conduct. Not both, unless maybe in severe cases. Otherwise you just make yourself look as if there was some truth to the accusations of the trolls.
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I think you missed my point, Games need new blood, the fact Eve is dying is a shame, its a great game. But if you create a Game that has High Security Space where New players can learn and when they are ready make the move to low security space and they get Ganked then that is acceptable. But if you create a “Safe” area it should stay that way. But Bullies and people who find a way to exploit and remove that safe haven are achieving one thing, driving new players away. You may think “Arnt I clever I have got around the safe haven by having disposable ships and killed off a load of Newbies” But what have actually done is driven players away, Not just your fault Bullies are Bullies but the Game should have been amended, they should have put a load more Security forces in and ensured they destroyed the Bullies and Killjoys every time they locked on in PVP in High security space making it pointless. Job Done. But really if all that’s left on here are Gankers and Bullies then the game truly is dead and probably good job too. But if and when the issue is resolved and players can actually learn the game and be safe in level 10 to 7 space, I would happily come back. Real shame
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As far I am aware the way the game was created level 10 should have been PVE, Security jump in and take out the Griefer. Each level of security thereafter the response was less quick and less lethal slowly ratcheting up the risk of Ganking. That’s the way the game was structured and so it should have stayed. So what pleasure do experienced EVE gamers, with money to burn, have for taking out a newbie who has just bought, as I did, his first decent mining ship and take it out into level 9 space to do some mining, It took me many hours of play to get it. I stayed in High security space yet no less than 10 ships drop in and just take me out. Now it may have escaped these guys notice that the game is supposed to be fun, they may have forgotten how hard it is in the first 3 months or so of play to build up the money and skill levels to buy there first decent ship to learn the skills to be able to equip it and use it. Maybe if when they had started and Gankers had taken them out in the same way they would have given up as well. But EVE had the reputation of being a closed shop, those that had been on it for ages were totally unhelpful and unwelcoming and Bullies pure and simple. Yet when the playground looks like it is going to close they still refuse to admit they are a big part of the problem.
Says a barely used forum alt.
CCP can either remove pvp from this game and keep you, someone who has barely played or put money into the game
Or
They can keep the PvP and keep all the players who have put thousands of pounds into the game.
Tough call…
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Highsec is not and is never meant to be a safe area. It is a safer area than low sec. But not safe.
There is room for arguments over the nature of safety and what tools are good or bad, I often make those arguments, but there is no real room in Eve for requesting it become true safe space. Doing so would ruin Eve one way or another.
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I think you miss the point, they can do both, Level 10 PVE, level 9 to 5 PVP but if players have an option of clicking out of PVP you don’t get a lock and cant hit them, level 4 to 0 full PVP nor excuses or crying over split milk. Simple, the idea is to stop the bullies and let players build up, put in the money you have get to a point where they can build the ships you have with destructive abilites you have a fight on a more even scale. Unless of course you are a real Bullies/Coward and just get you kicks taking down players in newbie ships that don’t stand a chance against you.
Experienced players who can afford disposable low level Spacecraft who travel in high security space with the sole purpose of killing off New players, who cant afford to lose their ships kills the game anyway. I agree it shouldn’t be necessary but sadly game experience and these forums confirm it is necessary.
New players can afford to lose their ships though. You get given half a dozen by simply doing the tutorial agents.
If you can’t afford to lose your ship you have broken one of the primary rules of Eve. Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose. And those disposable ships cost more than most real newbies ships.
As for getting ganked, people who want to learn can ask for help. There are ways around the issue when it comes to things like mining ships.
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If the game is not broken you have nothing to worry about , your investment in the game is safe. However if it is broken and dying on its feet then you investment in this games is wasted as its going to close. Surely you should be encouraging new players and new investment in the game so as to ensure its longevity. Why should you and other experienced players be so hell bent on protecting Gankers who’s sole fun it is take out Newbie players and destroy any chance of them playing and enjoying the game as you do. Give them chance to learn, develop skills and be able to compete. It makes sense surely
Can you remember getting your first level 2 ship? Not the ones you are given, but buying one, then learning the skills to get you first decent Mining drone and collectors etc. Are you really saying I should have stayed in the tutorial ships until I could afford two or three of the same in case some group of five saddo experienced Players who hated Miners and who get their kicks from geifing Newbies came along? Really, I just wanted to get it out and earn some decent money. I was staying in level 9 space along with my mate LLama, another Newbie. And so no I couldn’t afford to loose that ship, and they didn’t just take the ship, they killed my Avatar as well , I am sure they found it very funny. But that ship was months of work and saving, I am sure every one of the Gankers could have replaced their disposable ships ten or twenty times over, they were taking no risks at all. So what exactly was the point of doing what they are doing, simple to destroy other peoples fun and I am sure they did that because they didn’t have the guts to fly their primary ships into an even battle in low sec space and fight their peers, Bullies only ever fight when the odds are hugely in their favour.
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No. You are missing the point.
We play eve because its a full time pvp sandbox. We play it because there are no safe spaces. Thats why we like it. Thats why we put money into it. You take that away, we go away, the money goes away. Not YOUR measly prospects of playing this game for a tiny bit before finding the new shiny, the 5, 10, 15 year long players who have been putting thousands of pounds/dollars/EURO in to the game go away.
You have to understand, even if you got what you want. You wont play this game for very long because its not what you want. Thats why every nerf to PvP that has happened in the past 5 years has never, not once, resulted in a significant increase in player activity. Even the latest changes to wardecs, that were made because apparently we were losing SO MANY players to wardecs, hasn’t made a blip on player activity since. Thousands of players are now immune to wardecs…so where are they?
You also wrong about PvP and new players. New players are not nearly as hapless as you think and no one is bullying them (or show me something that shows they are). New players have access to all sorts of PvP where their opponents don’t or can’t bring larger and more powerful ships. They have access to corps with other players that can teach them and support them. EVE is full of very supportive experienced players if you are willing to learn. We very much welcome new players. But they are also very hostile to toxicity, liars and sperglords like yourself and Brom Drakard.
You could have asked other players for help or advice, how to survive in this game, a free ship here or there, and you would have got it, you’d maybe still get it. But your attitude makes you unwelcome. You will die here, and no one, including CCP’s bank account, is going to miss the likes of you.
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If the ship was months of saving, you are honestly doing something wrong. I’m a lazy isk maker and I’d be buying capitals if I saved for months for a single ship.
And yes I remember buying my first ships. None of them took me months to save for.
This story keeps getting more fantastical as time goes on. Pods are virtually impossible to catch in highsec or even lowsec.
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I play of an evening for a few hours between studying etc but the months were put into learning the skills to equip the mining turrets and crystals etc and in newbie ships the holds fill up quickly and you have to go back and forth. Anyway believe me or not I am telling you what happened. My Pod was killed. The ships they were using may have been low level but as I said they were top of the range in terms of the equipment they had.
Anyway I was just on here to see if anything had changed or if it was worth giving Eve another go, Daichi Yamato has made it pretty clear it hasn’t changed at all and I am not welcome/wanted so that’s that.
This is a broad reply to a few concerns raised in this thread.
I’m fairly new to this game. I’ve been blown up a few times. Sometimes I was looking for a fight. Sometimes not. But quite often I was offered compensation for my losses, by simply being sociable with the winner after a fight. I don’t think I’ve ever had to go all the way back to flying a corvette to grind out ISK. I’ve flown them a few times because I like them, but not from necessity. And like someone else said, there’s career agent missions, where it’s easy enough to get a simple ship that will get the job done to earn a little.
As for new players… I’m not sure I’ve seen a lot. I’ve seen plenty of new characters, but looking at their biographies, ships, and behaviours, they’re unlikely to be completely new people to the game. More like alts or potential bots.
Again, this is an opinion formed from limited experience in this game, but I think people could try interacting with others a little more. …like with strangers, not a collection of their own alts at the exclusion of everyone else.
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I really hope that EVE isn’t dying because I started playing a few months ago and I’m having a great time.
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Of course you are, but Eve style, you’ll be scammed, killed and looted, awoxed, stolen and podded just for the sake of shooting guns at you, but we love you.
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Eve is dying since 2003, it’s slow, you have some time left.
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