When even CCP themselves have said the data doesn’t say anything specific, then you are putting your stock in a delusion.
It’s certainly worth a deeper look datawise, I’d love to see them actually take it far enough that you can start to put your finger on a causation because you have few enough variables and you’ve accounted for most of them with controls.
But right now they haven’t given us any data like that, so to say anything about it being beneficial rather than negative or neutral is a lie.
P.S. I could equally say it harms the economy, drives people off through lack of engagement, discourages participation due to shaming via killmails and shuts people down with failure stories. That’s just spin you have put on it.
I mean, you could, but the fact that people who get ganked still come to the forums, cry about it, and continue to play it (despite having been ganked in the past) would say otherwise…
What little we do have suggests it’s positive. I doubt CCP will ever give us an insight like this ever again given how terrible they’ve been with even communicating with their players. But again, I wouldn’t go as far to say the whiny crybaby posts on the forums are equivalent in reliability to the data we’ve gotten from CCP, even if the data doesn’t establish causation (which I’ve already said, will be pretty difficult to show in the first place).
I’m not disagreeing that it might be positive though, I’m saying that claiming CCP said it was positive is a lie, because they haven’t. CCP have no data saying it’s positive, they have a weak correlation that hasn’t been isolated.
It very well could be positive, or it could be something else causing the positive which can be had without ganking also.
N.B. I’ve also never proposed ganking be banned, though I think the 25 box ganking is a bad image and we could dramatically improve “how” ganks play out in game with more focus on decisions & therefore on piloting skills at the time of the gank, and less impact of choices made 2 hours ago to undock and fly a freighter from A to B.
You can check their zkillboard for the ganked kills, especially when they come out to complain about getting ganked. When you notice they come back and make another crying thread, it speaks for itself.
To that, all I have to say is, “Who cares?”
If they start playing EVE, get ganked, die, and quit, never to come back. Oh well. They can’t handle the game so now they can go do something they find enjoyable instead. Big woop.
It’s only a small number that are ganked at all. Players that leave after getting ganked is a drop in the ocean compared to the players that leave before they encounter any kind of pvp, let alone ganking.
I’m sure that if I dig a little, I can find someone posting a “I quit” thread because they were ganked. That’s every bit as credible as your CCP quote. Maybe more so because, hey, who trusts CCP anyway?
And if you did find a thread like that, would you jump on a soapbox and tell all the world that Eve’s biggest problem is not being dangerous enough? Some people do. And some people get on their soapbox and say just the opposite. I don’t believe either one of them.
EvE as shown by CCP is controlled by Null sec, the people least likely to pay with cash.
So yes EvE is dying. The people with cash don’t want bots destroyng the market, yet Null seem to love them, to the point one region mines more than the rest of the entire game.
i don’t even understand why the hesec people were worried about some stuff. Crying about capitals and cynos. Two things they don’t/won’ use, ships that can’t come to their system, and wars that won’t get them blown up. It makes no sense from a game play point of view, so it must be about greed. The people that live and play in the safest space you can possibly get think they should also be the ones making the most money. It can’t actually be the other arguments. Those things can’t affect them at all where they choose to be. Stay away from burn Jita and you won’t ever have to lose your pixels.
Honestly, the nullsec people are just straight up better than you at eve. They live in the wild west, turn it into mad isk, then bring the pain right to your doorstep and push your #$#% in despite the oppressive game mechanics of instablap space police. All the people crying to undermine the nullsec empires are just jealous. They straight up won eve as much as it can be against odds that would give most players an aneurysm.
Judging by all my flagged comments, eve isn’t eve at all anymore. Glad i didn’t resub. Sorry to ruin everyone safe space. I didn’t know you played eve cause you were sad.
Everyone reading the above should be reminded of this:
Whiny Uncle John is the guy who cried about not being able to use a cyno frigate.
He made a thread solely to rant and whine about the fact that his game got wrecked …
… because he can’t use a cheap cyno frigate anymore.
So the guy, who wants everyone to believe the he belongs to a group of people who are better than the rest, is the same guy who threw a tantrum like a disney princess.
this comment can only come from a complete idiot - and the fact to dismiss anyone who claims to have been a part of the game from the start - is stupid just stupid.
putting someone off a game has and will never do a game anygood
pls how did you come to this conclusion - oh wait - CCP provide this information is this the same CCP who laid off 60 employees / killed relations team and sold to South Korean company Pearl Abyss and are now trying to tell you IF YOU LOSE $500+ IN A BLINK OF AN EYE - YOUR MORE LIKLY TO SPEND ANOTHER $500 — really
I have played with ppl who raged quit iv been from the start sorry if that upsets you
I did provide data but you didn’t read it so ill provide again —
YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEND MORE TO BECOME OMEGA IT IS EASY TO BECOME OMEGA TOO EASY LOOK AT zKillboard…
again I challenge you with my question – if the claim is that ppl who get ganked from the start or starting out rage quit what DOSE HAPPEN the the $$$$ they would have spent is lost as they rage quit – so
QUESTION
can a game work if ppl don’t spent the $$$$$$ ???
