What players that are ganked from the start?
What about the many more players that quit without even being shot at? Why aren’t you crying about them?
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I quit years ago just come on from time to time once a year if so - crying far from it maybe you should read the post again.
ppl who gank play the game well and its free to do so, you don’t need an omega account just get chatting with ppl who do gank and have done so for a while and before you know it your making billions of isk.
there is an art to gank in high sec and I think its a great way as the option in the game to make isk but also to have fun.
in the general discussion I read a lot on reasons why ppl think eve is going down hill and I said its not the numbers that is the reason but how the community has changed and the level of style of play has also changed.
statistics show the numbers were the same in 2007 but in 2007 very few ppl used more than 2 or maybe 4 accounts – now I used 10 accounts before I left 2 years ago and knew others using more, this is a trend or way of playing this game - the gaming community has changed, good or bad I don’t care.
read zKillboard see 1 person with 8or more accounts - gank kills great isk made, alliance wars prearranged “good or bad again don’t care”. its a complete different game and community
its funny how ppl reply yet fail to answer my question - the question was NOT is ganking a good thing lmao and points I made were backed with proff from zKillboard (many ppl who were ganked OR lost billions as new players have no kills or deaths for months after that incounter) maybe the RAGED QUIT just a thought but it kinda looks that way.
but you failed to answer my question WHY??? ILL ASK AGAIN
with out ppl spending $$$$$ what happens to the game ??? I could also ask what is the reason ppl are not spending money ??? but I don’t want to confuse you to much
60ppl lost there jobs, game sold - is this the actions of a company that is making great profit ???
Reads post again…
Yup. Crying.
Regarding alts, ganking has been nerfed many times and ships are tougher than ever before (especially freighters). So using more alts to gank is the obvious next step. But that’s gankers…not your typical player. Most players have one account according to ccp.
It’s also important to point out that these ganking accounts are likely not alpha accounts. Multi-boxing alphas is against the rules, and doing it with gankers is a great way to draw attention from ccp. Or you know, prove that they are alphas.
Second, your proof is nonsense. Just because a player stops getting kills or deaths doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t playing. It also ignores the players that quit without encountering pvp…these are the vast majority of new players according to data collected by ccp. Yet you don’t care about any of them. Just a small minority that are killed…and then not killed.
Answer this question yourself, whilst remembering the vast majority of players quit before they encounter pvp of any kind. And try not to let your personal prejudices cloud your judgement.
No ■■■■ sherlock. But attributing that to ganking proves you to be like a confused child blaming beavers for the worlds deforestation. Not because any data suggests it to be the case but just because you don’t like beavers.
Perhaps time to grow up?
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that is lame almost funny to the point are you sure you know how to fit ships???why do you ignore zKillboard.
also like to ask why you said I was crying? is that common on eve now? or is that something that’s said for a reason? hhmm yeah a little lost but hhmm yeah not sure what im ment to crying about ?
I did not say I wasn’t the next step - I even said I used more then 1 account myself - so your point being is???
again I did point out that you don’t need a omega account to start with and once you have talked/joind/ and play the game as to gank in high sec you will make billions of isk in a day even in hours, this will leed you a person being able to fund an account on omega - pls read the post before making a childish point.
Or do you you suggest make lets say 50b isk from ganking (zKillboard again for profit) but never obtain an omega account?? wow
yes alpha mb is against the rules but you only need 1 alpha to start you off to set other accounts on omega.
zKillboard and fact that ccp sold out is because ??? hhhmm nonsense ???
well when you get ganked in high sec is that not pvp? pretty sure when 2 players have a fight its classed as pvp.
ccp is a company that I no longer trust or play the game - according to data collected by ccp the vast majority of new players quit “where did they publish the none pvp encounter of new players” and if you really stop brown noseing and think about it – are you saying that a person payed for 1month omega didn’t do pvp then quit ?
the points raised was not about is it wrong to gank - I think its ok to gank I think its a great way to have fun - its part of the game.
but if im honest and would like to see this game bounce back then I need to be honest and call it how its is - it has gone to far and ccp know it but wont act and now they let 60ppl go sold ect and that’s the truth.
I have and I did – QUESTION IS THO WHY DIDNT YOU ANSWER IT ?
LEAVE THE BEAVERS ALONE - really tho did it take you long to come up with that?? facts numbers is there for all to see and lack of PAYING PLAYERS have led to loss of staff and game being sold, if ccp told you that beavers were to blame for the worlds deforestation as even more confused child you would belive it that I am sure off.
if you lack the intellectual capacity to understand anything I have said feel free to knock yourself out with lame points of view saying I blame ppl who gank despite I do not blame them and have said its always been a part of the game.
ccp have killed the game and lack of paying ppl that the game need to run is just not there anymore and fading quick - reason somethings have gone to far and nothing ccp can do now apart from lie.
hhhmm a game is just pixels my friend you should pay note to your advice
Wait? You don’t think getting 33% structure resists across the board added to freighter tanks?
That you’re whining that everyone has twenty alts is yet more bull ■■■■.
If you have the link I’ll take a look.
So what about the players that are quitting without getting ganked?
If you want this game to bounce back like you say then why are you focusing on a tiny minority of players with no evidence when there are thousands more quitting without getting ganked and evidence to back it up?
God, this kind of carebear tears are why I come to the forums. I need to get some more popcorn.
really why so lame - what dose 33% matter when I have over 10 accounts
not at all I am saying that the reasons for game dying is not based on number of players playing but players not SPENDING and other reasons.
wtf you just said zKillboard was nonsense knock youelf out you don’t need a link im sure you know how to read zKillboard.
are you 100% fact sure they are paying players??? if they were would ccp have sold.
I did invest a number of hours and money into the game have more then 1 account some toons worth a mint ect but and I have ganked and was very good at it, but it did bore me after a while.
I read the forums and thought the points why the game was sold ect were just not about lack of players when in fact as I said in 2007 and now are around the same amount of players - so why is the game dying???
yes and I know ppl will say hes crying or as just now a carebear ect ect so childish.
but no ONE has answered my question - if ppl don’t spend $$$ what happens then???
As for me - the game went on a completely different path than the one we felt before.
They promised us walking in the stations and beyond. Here look again.
And the current content is not like that. The game focuses on some kind of ship skins and other cosmetic things. I don’t know, it seems that the spirit of the game is gone.
Make a classic game client 
For example, before the “Incursion” update
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did they just use the walking in station to test dust out with so I heard, going some back tho, I didn’t play for a about a year when I came back on I was looking for hours why I couldn’t get in the station lmao
you know some ppl raged quit over that also because they made a mint in selling cloths and stuff.
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You’re very confused aren’t you.
Do you even remember what arguments you’re trying to make anymore?
So you think players that plex don’t fund the game?
Plex is just giving another player isk to pay for the game for you…a plexing account makes more money for ccp than a subbed account even.
You’re evidence is nonsense. You’re using zkillboard.com as evidence of why new players are quitting, but ignore the fact that the vast vast majority of new players quit without getting a single loss or kill.
But you also say zkillboard.com shows that you can make 50bil ganking and plex all your accounts…
so?..
Are you 100% fact sure the new players that are getting ganked are paying players? Are you 100% fact sure they are quitting the game?
If only this was what you said.
Yeah activity is down. And activity today is shared between paying players and non-paying players. But the cause of the lack of activity has less to do with ganking and more to do with whatever causes 50% of players to stop playing after their first session, and something like 90% of players to stop playing after a few days…
In fact, last time we checked, players that were getting killed illegally were sticking around longer.
More likely players are bored and confused than ‘RAGE QUIT’ as you put it…
Answer the questions then. If you have no dog in the fight and don’t play in that part of the game, why do you care?
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I have no dog in the fight I don’t play no more - I got a random email from an account I don’t use anymore from old pc - but I logged on and looked at the forums and noticed how many ppl were saying about lack of players playing and game is dying but I don’t think it has anything to do with numbers but other then ppl not spending money and reason for them not spending.
I really don’t care - as for Daichi Yamato I think he’s just smoked something very funny still trying to read his last post .
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yeah with your last post and point YOUR trying to make ???
I stated that the game is dying lack to ppl spending money and reason for it - proof is zKillboard / loss of 60 jobs / game sells out.
if ppl were still keen and interested ect they would spend money and jobs wouldn’t have been lost ccp wouldn’t hasve sold.
I never said they have not been nerfed or hinted that they have been nefed / are you saying they because they have been nerfed they cant be destroyed ? holy c3po…
yes I am very very confused and more even confused on why you have yet faild to reply to the original question - IF PPL DONT SPEND $$$$ WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GAME???
well what do you think CCP sold because they wasn’t the majority ??? because they wasn’t loseing money ???
As far as back tracks go, this is a doozey.
And the references to new players getting ganked and rage quitting and pointing to zkillboard.com was what?
So what was this?
So this question isn’t rhetorical?
Why don’t you google it?
Ccp didn’t sell. They were sold by their owners (an investment firm) to pearl abyss, a games developer. And i don’t think they were even losing money at the time. Not by definition.
They have cut staff and sold offices/teams. But they haven’t had a year of financial loss as far as I’m aware.
But still doesn’t change that you were whining about new players and ganking.
as far as you points you are making that I have no clue where you are going with them I am not back tracking and pointed out that ganking has gone to far – I DONT BLAME PPL WHO DO GANK - I USE TO GANK I also saod that as well but cant be botherd to go back and copy and paste.
It is not the only reason why ppl don’t pay READ WHAT I SAID AT THE START.
feel free to copy and paste what you want but get all the points I made.
that if I joind a new game spent $$$ lost it I would think the game is not for me I may try a 2nd time even a 3rd but to new players eve online is a harsh game 
always has been always will be. I point to the zKillboard because you ask’d for proof and there you have it and you don’t like it.
you pointed out ships have been nerfed thinking they give 100% protection or something I too was a little lost on what you were saying - or where you were going with that. - I did point out that the majority of ppl who play have multibox ect and how to get it within the rules of the game.
the question was for YOU - do you have a problem with it? is it to hard? or will it prove my points (not just ganking)
why do you avoid the question? but look at points where you wish to pick to get support from the community? do you need someone to hold your hand ?
yes they have had some very bad years I think 2014 was the worst but you can google it
its funny how asking a question or making a point that is a fact is taken for more then it is.
I really don’t care honestly your points were so lame they made me laugh also feel fee to quote my last comments that there is nothing wrong with ganking I have done so myself - we have all been new players at the start lmao.
CCP sold out however you want to fancy dress it up - add what ever you want to it - they sold out sorry to tell you this but I feel you don’t want to believe _425 million I think hhmm have to look at link , but if it makes it easy for you to accept feel free to say owners sold it
its been fun its been emotional its been great talking with you sorry if I upset you and the ships are not real just pixels sshhhh we wont tell no one.
for all that have read the last few texts ill be back next year maybe just to laugh.
not a rhetorical question - but a question I ask’d you and when you reply with an honest answer what is the solution get keep paying players new and OLD.
fly safe (cant belive I just said that as headbutts the wall)
You do know those 60 people didn’t work on EVE right. If I remember right that was the Valkyrie studio. Only 2 jobs were cut at EVE.
And yet these players seem to stick around longer than those that aren’t.
That’s not what i said. Or quote me where i said 100% protection.
You were talking about how multi boxing has become the norm. But it hasn’t. It’s normal for gankers maybe, but that’s to do with ships being tougher than before.
And? Perhaps if you explained what the question has to do with your argument I’d be more inclined to answer. Cause right now it seems like an ill-thought and rhetorical question.
I don’t disagree with that. But you said they were losing money…as far as I’m aware they haven’t. The article you’ve linked doesn’t say otherwise. It infact says they had 40mil in the bank when they were acquired by pearl abyss.
Anyways, none of that has anything to do with your ranting. Your posts only make sense if you think ccp are losing players because of ganking of new bros and consequent rage quitting (as you put it)…but evidence doesn’t support that (not zkillboard.com. Not data from ccp). Or at the very least it’s a drop in the ocean compared to players lost to boredom and confusion.
You want this game to bounce back? Genuinely? Don’t muddy the waters with ‘ganking newbros is why people quit’. Cause it just isn’t true.
And maybe get your facts straight before going on a rant in capitals.
If the ISK supply continues its current downward trend, then yes, EVE is dying.
FYI: This is the first time I’ve really voiced this kind of sentiment. And it is not sarcastic. The ISK supply, in the last 5 months has declined such that we are now at November 2018 levels. This kind of a decline is unprecedented. If you don’t know why this is important/serious, go read up on the Great Depression. Yes, a game can be destroyed by run away inflation…but run away deflation will kill the in game economy just the same. And EVE is unique in that it’s economy is an integral part of the game and is entirely player driven. The economy crashing means there is a problem with players leaving the game and making things unsustainable.