Is Highsec PvP Dead?

It happens. At least from what they claim… and the claims of people who have been banned. You can assume I’m partaking in various substances all you like, but it wont change anything.

The vast majority of bots CCP shows us are on paid accounts, whether they be flying caps, ishtars, or various mining ships.

And then CCP teleports them to yulai and lets other players kill them.

That was going on long before alphas existed.

No, an ad hominem would be “you’re stupid.” I said you were less informed that I assumed, because I assumed you were basing your argument off of statistics, but instead you were using anecdotal accounts.

In this particular case I would be. However, assuming you’re telling the truth about it being possible to create a mutual war, then I’m informed again. Thanks. It doesn’t really change any of the arguments I’ve made though, so it’s irrelevant.

I’m aware of who they are / were and how they operated, I just didn’t know if they were still active. That’s effectively what you’ll have to do if you want to get a mutual war. No one is just going to throw themselves into the meat grinder unless they’re masochistic (or maybe a streamer.) They’ll have to believe they have a chance at winning.

How do I know this? Because people have done it in the past (for example, red vs blue.) Now maybe the situations were curated, but that doesn’t make it impossible, it just means you’ll have to put in work to make it happen.

You’re even complaining that people wont, so, assuming you actually want a mutual war and aren’t just crying for the sake of crying, you yourself, are an example that someone is willing to engage. So go talk to people and try to get a community started for the activity you want to engage in.

You’re active in this forum, yet how many threads have you started with the subject matter you desire?(Supposing you actually desire it and aren’t just trolling.)

Your experimentation results from spamming people with war requests. That’s no way to get what you want, you’re effectively just like those pests who spam duel requests to haulers when they’re going about their business.

Even if the person may have been inclined to pvp, they’re not going to bother in that situation, because they’re busy with other things.

The source is them regardless. Having it in data form doesn’t change that.

I think you’re making more out of that than is actually the case. Yes, they have lied in the past, and yes they have used some deceptive practices, but it’s not been the overwhelming practice of theirs.

And until you can prove that they are being deceptive, I’m going to assume they’re not.

Wes,
As a retired highsec criminal of old, I can confirm than yes… Eve changed to get rid of me and my ilk.

At one time there were hundreds of high sec fighters lined up around the caldari space to scuffle over stolen scrotumite, perceived insult, or nothing at all.

We played largely without need or interest in over.

The highest form of art was the flipped can and a well delivered song in local

Yes, I had other ships, but I specialized in t1 frigates because absolutely nothing in new Eden would undock a fleet like a hotly flown T1 frigate that could serenade local with a smooth dialect of smack talk and lolcat.

It’s a lost art so many years gone that few remember it.

In its day, Eve was special. Truly, no game has ever offered pvp or such depth and visceral reality.

Sadly, the shell of a game that remains isn’t even discernible as different to its current denizens.

Eve lost what made it special. Perhaps someday they will try to get it back.

Mo

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Frostpacker avoided a forever war by paying just 1 billion isk lol

Are you feeling alright there? Seems to me you might be in need of a special doctor’s attention for a while.

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Caps in HS would solve this Proplem. :slight_smile:

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Well, it still has me!

:princess:t2:

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People used to do the same by staying in the rookie corps.

One time in the top agent quality system caldari had back when quality was a thing I had 3 flippers baiting. Motsu was the name, maybe?

They can baited so much they baited themselves.

I just watched this to see who won as the fights commenced lol.

I told the winner, dude you earned those cans and warped since done anyway. Comedy gold must be rewarded.

You’re never polite and friendly to me. :frowning:

Nobody likes you.

Nobody around today remembers how much fun all that was.

(Or funny. It was frequently hysterically funny).

Can flippers put the opera into the space opera.

Back before the profession systems were redefined as noob systems, they were the most dangerous systems in Eve.

It was bustling. There was someone on the undock looking for a fight 24 hours a day. I used to log in for 10 minutes before work and pick up a fight or two.

Akiainavas was mine.

We used to invite all the noobs to watch when we found bot miners. We would explain what we were doing in local, and then gank the bot for a crowd of giggling noobs.

We ran a clean moon initiative where we destroyed almost every POS in system. Once again, we did it for the entertainment of the crowd.

And we ran wars against everyone and frequently had a fleet humping undock while we station gamed them.

For a noob, they were arriving in this vibrant profession system with fights, local was busy, ships scuffling everywhere. Even if you were mining, there was stuff going on to watch. Someone was always talking in local.

I remember a guy from another corp got into it with some guys from “suddenly ninjas” in a raven. We undocked a bunch of ipsreys and pushed his raven through a 4 person fleet of those guys just for a scream.

I used to explain mechanics and techniques pretty openly to everyone I fought. That contributed to a strong community of fighters in Akiai. A lot of the guys I trained there went on to be very successful pvpers.

Now Akiainavas is quiet. Ships come and go. But local is dead. Undock is dead.

No risk. No “grieving”. Just quiet pve.

Mo

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I feel like I caught the tail end of it when I started in 2011. I was the newbie getting can flipped in my mining Vexor. I learned a LOT and if it weren’t for my Uni grades suffering I would have stuck around.

I’ve brought up a few times the reign of outlaws living in high sec, and frequently people who only ever have played post-crimewatch don’t really believe the stories. Or just don’t understand. High sec used to be way more dangerous and full of people declaring themselves the „King“ of this-or-that system and chatting up a storm in local, and todays high sec is the safest — and quietest, and most boring — it has ever been.

The high sec anti-PvP complainers of 2011 wished hard for the high sec of today. They got their way. They aren’t satisfied and want it to keep going even further, and they keep wondering why people won’t log back in (hint: boredom).

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Yeah, 2011 was full bore good times. Fleets were funning each other everywhere back then.

And yeah, it was pandemonium.

2012 was when retribution patch hit and made everything global criminal. And when playing in Akiai became petitionable.

The first wave of players quit before the changes even happened. There was a huge shift in sentiment and petitions started dropping because of stuff the gms wrote.

I remember my first ban threat from a gm in Akiai was a guy who was baiting in a scorpion. I flipped him and he dumped the scorpion and came back in a kestrel to play. I thought he was all in until I blasted the kestrel and it saw the fit.

It was like a couple civilian modules and nothing else.

He was just trying to get all the PvP guys banned. Wasn’t even real.

Gm didn’t care. Said I would be banned. So I left.

The worst thing about the global flag is that everyone assumes you must be wildly overpowered to do something so bold.

Couple years later, high sec was so risk averse I flew the entire amarr-jita pipeline in a global criminal flagged badger… and nobody would take the bait. Hundreds of pilots saw me and just kept on going.

In 2011, I’d have been lucky to make it 3 jumps.

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This sort of skullduggery I also recollect. A lot of goonswarm and other folks were into weaponizing GMs, doxxing, and other out-of-game antics. That bit I don’t miss, but I do miss all the things that made the universe actually dangerous. The non-global flags were a core part of that.

I remember getting flipped for the first time and the ex-Morsus Mihi FC that was mentoring me undocked a Mach and jettisoned his own can, trying to get the flipper to engage him instead of me. It felt like a Mexican standoff with a bunch of chatter and bravado in local. Loved it.

I know the rules and a ccp dev even agreed all that can still happen in noob systems, just not to noobs or less than 30 day old pilots

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I’m just telling what happened.

CCP has never defined much, they let GMs make decisions.

The GMs were clear in 2012 that I had to stop pvping in Akiainavas.

Even if I went back now, the new crime structure would completely prevent me getting fights. It’s too far away from the current generations.

They don’t have a path to get from
A to b. And they don’t see any reason to go there because they don’t need to jet can mine and it’s literally impossible for me to do something rude enough to impact them.

The game has gone safe. They can’t experience enough injury to get mad. Even if they did, they will be too afraid of the global criminal flag.

It’s done.

So basically your contribution is “ I used to play and I was a badass warrior but now it’s lame and you guys are boring so I’m not actually gonna play I just wanted to let you know I used to be awesome and now it sucks bye”? Ok, thanks for stopping in I guess.

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Why hang in newbie systems?

That’s what the GM said.

It had more kills than Tama back then.