If people can’t be arsed to haul responsibly, Red Frog and PushX will do it for them.
There’s a reason both use a maximum cargo value.
Last time I will reply to either of you two on this.
Are you both seriously telling me that it is not possible to gank a freighter solo?
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Yes and if it was, then that would definitely be a problem that CCP should do something about (eg. like they did with hyperdunking, which did allow a single player, running as little as 3 characters, to gank a freighter).
But, it seems clear that you were just hurf blurfing, because instead of continuously deflecting and avoiding, the easiest thing to do would be to link even one of those quite often generated killmails.
That would be totally on topic and relevant to the discsussion.
This is the first time I’ve heard about it being possible to solo gank a freighter with one account. You got me interested, so I gathered some numbers.
Let’s pick a scenario with all the factors in favour of the ganker:
- Fenrir with 3x Expanded cargohold II and all supportive skills at 0 reaches the lowest EHP (I think) that a freigher can get at 172k EHP
- A 0.5 security system for the longest (19 second) CONCORD response time
This means the minimum dps our solo ganker needs to deal when everything is in their favour is 9k dps.
I’d like to repeat the questions of the others: how is it going to be possible for a solo ganker with a single account to gank a freighter?
(I might have missed an option, but some quick pyfa showed an overheated polarised blaster Kronos might get 5k dps, which is still far below 9k even if I add implants and boosters. Trig ships can get higher dps but won’t have time to spool up for a gank. So what ganking ship were you thinking about?)
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I suppose it is technically possible, but extremely impractical.
First, the freighter would have to be effectively unmanned. On autopilot, if you will.
Step 1: Intercept the freighter and bump it a sufficient distance from the gate.
Step 2: Go get you a ganking ship, arrive, shoot through the shield and damage the freighter.
Step 3: Ride out your CONCORD timer and get another ship to continue the process.
Repeat steps 1-3 as necessary.
The constraint being one account instead of one encounter, you can still get away with this.
(I don’t think Autopilot will recognize if you bump it away from the gate it warps to and will just try to slowboat back to it no matter how long it takes. If I’m wrong, obviously the whole method is also invalid.)
JUST TURN FREIGHTERS INTO TITANS AND GIVE THEM SMARTBOMBS WHICH KILL ALL GUNKERS IN THE GAME IN REALLIFE AND THEY DO IT AUTOMATICALLY WHILE YOU ARE AFK AND YOU GET FREE 50 BILLION ISK EVERYTIME YOU LOG IN
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I don’t have experience ganking, but don’t you immediately get warp disrupted (and killed) if you undock in a ship while you still have the criminal timer? If so, I don’t think you can repeat the first three steps unless you wait out the criminal timer.
Maybe someone with more knowledge on the matter can clarify.
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So you don’t participate in the activity, haven’t participated in the activity, and don’t know what it takes to engage in the activity. But you just waltz into the forums with some very strong opinions about the players (let me quote you again)
who play the game in a certain way? A certain way that you don’t even participate in? Weird flex, dude.
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“Ride out your CONCORD timer” means to wait for it to expire. You bumped the freighter off the gate far enough he won’t make it back before you have another go.
Unless the autopilot is smart enough to engage warp after it arrives at its destination gate and is bumped off it, this is possible.
I’m not saying this is practical in any way, or that I know of anyone who ever did this, but in a hypothetical ‘is it possible’ kind of way it can be done.
Im more concerned that he seemed to suggest that a solo freighter pilot cant avoid ganks?
Hilarious that you only single out that player yet conveniently ignore all the others who state they don’t do ganking while they constantly post their pro-gank rhetoric.
Ah, I interpreted that as ‘wait until you get killed by CONCORD’, not ‘wait until your criminal timer is gone’.
You’re right. If you can bump an afk freighter far enough that he doesn’t get to his gate in the time it takes for your criminal timer to disappear, you can indeed solo gank an AFK autopilot freighter with a single account!
What about the passive shield regen?
Someone else can do the calculations, but can a single gank ship get through a freighters shields? If it dips into armor and structure, even just a little, then sure it would be possible with a completely AFK freighter to eventually kill the ship. If not, then I suppose 15m is enough time for the passive regen to restore all the damage made?
Anyways, while it might be theoretically possible, it’s not that realistic nor common scenario.
What I suspect happened above, is that Drac did not properly read Daichi’s post that mentioned “one account”. So he was arguing from the point of a single player doing a solo gank with multiple alts, which is indeed pretty common.
I feel like most arguments would be resolved if people read the actual post contents, instead of only the name of the author and just assume you disagree with them.
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Probably this.
Passive shield regen is minimal. 33 EHP/s, so that can be pretty much ignored.
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Ok. For some reason, I thought it was a percentage of your total shields.
Anyways, just an interesting point I thought might had been relevant. In this theoretical debate, one needs to consider all the factors 
I think it still is a percentage of total shields, but that percentage is pretty low for the really big ships.
Ooof. Definitely wrong about that one.
Shield recharge is kind of odd. First the rate of recharge varies by the percentage of shield you have remaining, with peak recharge being between around 25% and 33%. This is as fast as you’re going to get, so a shield tanked ship that drops below 25% is declared as having its ‘tank broken’.
A ship will recover its entire shield in the shield recharge time. The stronger the shield, the more points it has and the more points you get per unit time. The shorter the recharge time, the more points you get per unit time because there’s less time to mete them all out.
You can improve your passive shield tank by shortening the recharge time (often at the expense of capacity to balance things somewhat) or increasing your shield strength. However, if your shield gets so thin that you skip past the 25% to 33% peak rate zone, your tank will perform much worse than anticipated. That can happen with ships that do high alpha damage in bursts instead of inflicting many smaller hits at a more rapid, but consistent, interval.
(Incidentally, this is also how the ship’s capacitor recharges. It’s easy to drain the cap when it’s completely full, but it gets harder to deplete it until you drop below the sweet spot, after which it seems to drain like mad.)
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I cannot get over their replies:
Was the reply I got to my post, obviously a bait troll, but I thought I would make it quite clear that it is possible to solo gank a freighter. People have been regularly ganking JF’s solo using supers, to say that it is not possible to solo gank a freighter is just wrong.
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Suicide ganking happens in high sec, where supers cannot go.
It’s kind of in the title of the thread: high sec ganking.
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