Could be that they are still connecting all the dots, figuring out all the alts, checking logs for all IP and MAC addresses he ever used, before coming down with the banhammer.
If they give you back the isk then this game is finally dead. The fact that you even think you could get your isk back is really bad. I remember when there were practically no rules and now its devolved to this.
Please tell everyone you are trolling and we can get on with out lives.
thanks
What are you talking about? Ship losses have peaked at 80% reimbursement rate. Game still plods on.
Probably not, seems you arenât only scamming in Jita, you are also misleading people on and off the official forums by changing âwhat really happenedâ or being extremely vague about it. You can post the ticket here. ( Security Update â Q1 2018 | EVE Online ) (read the âClarification On Section 18 Of The Terms Of Serviceâ part. Stop scamming eveyone for the sake of putting CCP in a bad light, itâs an offence that can get you banned yet you repeatedly post about it, trying to see how far you can go with it⌠HTFU or get banned. You are free to redact the scammerâs name from the logs so you donât get the naming and shaming issue which might get you a POSTING OVER HERE BAN.
People. just read the articles provided, click those links and you will know that impersonation of other player was not allowed for ages. Scams based on that are not allowed.
You are not allowed to represent or impersonate a player or corporation or alliance that is not you in recruitment channel⌠but outside of that channel you are free game to be swindled.
You were swindled clean.
Incorrect, youâre not allowed to impersonate anyone ever, at any time regardless of which channel it is in or how it happened. Has been that way for years.
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Impersonation is a big nono for scamming. Hopefully a GM actually does the right thing and takes action upon this rule breaker.
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Not entirely correct. Scamming based on impersonation is illegal in Eve Online no matter where it happens in the game or on the forums. It doesnât matter if you leave the channel if impersonation is illegal EVERYWHERE as decreed by CCP Games.
The rules state that impersonation based on char or corp names is illegal.
If you are listening to random strangers telling you that theyâre your corpmate and you donât make the effort to verify that, itâs not up to CCP to hold your hand.
And this is, as far as OP told us, what happened.
âHis name was Mickey Mouse, but he told me, heâs Santa Clausâ, doesnât cut it and it shouldnât. Otherwise everyone whoâd been scammed can tell CCP that the scammer impersonated a friend using 3rd party communication tools. Or set up schemes to scam CCP by using impersonation alts.
On the other hand, not even the creation of a char named very similar to an existing char that isnât yours automatically fulfills the conditions of the rule. It only constitutes impersonation, if you use the char in a way that could make others assume youâre the âoriginalâ.
The entire topic is a grey area and every case needs to be reviewed on its own.
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Now that you put it that way I can understand it now.
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Well here is a update, first regular GM claimed its allowed, I requested it forwarded to a senior, senior claims it was not breaking eula because I âassumedâ it was someone else only.
The dude straight up confirmed it was him when I asked,
I am having ti brought to a lead GMâs attention and am sitll waiting but by now im not expecting much from ccp ;(
i am not allowed to name and shame on forums I think, but i sent you a ingame mail with names
Lovely!
Updated: 2 weeks later still no reply from the upgraded support ticket, wtf
The rules say you shall not impersonate or falsely present. I think what that means is that you shouldnât take measures that could convince a reasonable person to believe youâre someone else. Highlight on reasonable, convince and measures.
Simply saying âIâm your neighbors mumâ, doesnât mean Iâm impersonating your neighbors mum.
I must try to imitate her in some way. Using a very similar name of char or corp, trying to convince you with âinsideâ knowledge and the likes. This is what impersonation means.
In other words: if a random stranger tells you he is someone you know in disguise, itâs your responsibility to check up on that. Not doing so is unreasonable. A reasonable person could not be convinced by such a mere statement, because they would always check back in some way.
If there is no somewhat objective reason a ânormalâ person could believe the lie, itâs not impersonation.
Thatâs why the OP wonât be successful with his petitions.
Eh⌠âIâm your neighbourâs momâ is a pretty generic statement. In this particular case it sounds like the accused did claim to be a specific person known to the OP.
I can see it going either way to be honest. But I also donât have chat logs, so I donât know exactly what was said.
On one hand, itâs very simple to check (and you should always check)⌠I view info of my alts before I send money back and forth without fail.
On the other, based only on this forum post, it does appear to be a clear attempt to impersonate a specific person.
In EVE its not allowed when you say you are âneighbours mumâ or alt of âneighbours mumâ to scam people.
impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the âIâm your CEOâs altâ scam as described by Fânog), is not allowed.
Yes exactly. And in this case, it seems it wasnât even about that scammer using a name similar to OPâs friend. It was just some char who claimed to be the guy. A simple check-in with the friend would have been reasonable.
Thanks for the link, it seems I was wrong in assuming that impersonation actually meant impersonation as in imitating and not merely stating false fact.
Well, in this case Iâd think that OP is not telling us the entire story. We know he successfully scammed a GM into creating 4 Billion ISK out of thin air. There might be things we donât know about this case.
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(1) That can be true as your account is not permabanned yet.
(2) Stop representing CCPâs policies wrongly.
"âYou may not publish private communications from CCP, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.â
Whenever this clause is brought up, itâs obvious it carries with it a couple of misconceptions that we probably havenât worked hard to adjust. Some argue that we set this rule to hide what happens between us and players, which is not possible and is absolutely not our goal.
The actual reason the rule was originally set was to protect our staff from out of context posting and partial reposting intended to foster misinformation without us jumping in and clarifying. The thinking was (and to some degree still is) that this would put our staff in a position where unless they responded to every such post, it could be expected to represent proper context.
In that sense it was always meant to improve discussion, not censor it." ref.: Security Update â Q1 2018 | EVE Online
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