It should not be possible to avoid ship loss in combat by storing your ship in a bowhead

[Lord_Kalus]

@Xeux

How can I make the rule benefit only the carebears

I know how. Shitpost on the forums more. That will surely fix it.

[Salt_Foambreaker]

@Archer_en_Tilavine

This would eliminate a lot of gameplay in relation to caps in LS/NS. I would think most people would be against HS-specific or Bowhead/Orca specific restrictions when a solution that is simpler, more uniform, more consistent-with-existing-behavior, more sensible in relation to expectations from combat exists.

Missed the sarcasm eh?

That is why I suggested Cry and Pout as an alternative, there is no problem, this is a high sec whine.

Just suicide the bowhead or leave high sec?

[Solecist_Project]

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[Xeux]

This is the greatest honor I could hope to achieve in my lifetime!

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

99% of EVE Community: Hey man, you’re out of toilet paper
@Salt_Foambreaker: use the sand paper
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Salt: yeah
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[Scipio_Artelius]

When 2 groups are engaged in combat with each other, we shouldn’t be asking CCP to put more and more restrictions on what is allowed. That smells like heading in a direction where only one form of pvp is legit, and others aren’t.

To me, PIRAT turned a potential loss into victory through innovative use of the mechanics. They won the fight, just not in the “we killed more ISK” way.

So part of me wants to just tip my hat to them and say well played.

At the same time, it’s kind of cheesy that a pointed/scrammed ship, that doesn’t have freedom of movement, has the freedom to be stowed in a bay. That seems wrong, but if they aren’t on an aggression timer, then it should be a perfectly allowed defensive tactic.

[Lord_Kalus]

@Scipio_Artelius

PIRAT turned a potential loss into victory through innovative use of the mechanics.

And now everyone knows about it and every war can end in a stalemate because both sides are too scared to lose anything to stop parking in a bowhead. Sounds like a healthy place for gameplay to go.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Lord_Kalus

And now everyone knows about it and every war can end in a stalemate because both sides are too scared to lose anything

Where are you getting that everyone is too scared?

[Cheseburg]

@Xeux

How can I make the rule benefit only the carebears…

you mean like the kind of carebears who bring neutral bowheads to a fleet fight so they can save their ships in case they start losing?

[Lord_Kalus]

@Scipio_Artelius

Where are you getting that everyone is too scared?

People that aren’t scared don’t usually hide.

[Cheseburg]

if you’re being warp scrambled you shouldn’t be able to dock in another ship. it is quite simple.

yes it will mean that miners being attacked and scrambled will no longer be able to dock in an orca once the warp scramble has landed. but if they dock quickly before the fight starts then miners can still do this. just not after they come under fire.

it is dumb that a ship under fire can escape by docking into a neutral ship. it’s like having a permanent station for station hugging pvp that you bring with you to escape the consequences of losing.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Lord_Kalus

People that aren’t scared don’t usually hide.

So all wars involve people hiding?

You don’t seem to be making any sense when your last 2 posts are considered together. If both sides of wars are already hiding, there’s no fight to use a bowhead in.

Can’t you just put your butthurt away for a bit. There’s no need to be all judgemental about playstyles you don’t like, in order to have a conversation.

[Lord_Kalus]

@Scipio_Artelius

Can’t you just put your butthurt away for a bit.

You must be projecting because there is none here. As an alliance that has no assets in space and cannot be wardecced I don’t have a horse in the race. One of these things sounds exploity though, and I don’t think exploits should remain in EVE Online.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Lord_Kalus

You must be projecting because there is none here

Nah, I’m cool with what others want to do. Just reading your posts across a few threads I’ve read, they come across consistently with a tone of underlying butthurt. Maybe you aren’t, but your writing kind of reads that way.

@Lord_Kalus

One of these things sounds exploity though

Yeah it kind of does, but if someone isn’t in the fight (ie. no aggression timer), then that doesn’t seem so exploity. Seems like a good defensive option.

Once you start shooting and have a timer, I totally agree, but the game already works like that. No change is needed in that case.

[Lord_Kalus]

@Scipio_Artelius

they come across consistently with a tone of underlying butthurt

You’re projecting butthurt where there is none then. Saying it enough times isn’t going to make it true, that’s not how reality works.

@Scipio_Artelius

if someone isn’t in the fight (ie. no aggression timer), then that doesn’t seem so exploity

And if neutral logi repping people in a fight without going suspect wasn’t an exploit they would have left that in and unchanged too. Let them dock in bowheads all they want, the bowhead should go suspect if they had any ewar or guns active on them when they do though.

[Algathas]

@Lord_Kalus

One of these things sounds exploity though

Really the only “exploity” thing about it is that you can’t attack the bowhead without concord getting involved. If they are tackled wartargets and put their ship in a neutral ship, then the neutral ship becoming a legal target seems fair to me as the ship has clearly cast aside their neutrality.

[Lord_Kalus]

@Algathas

If they are tackled wartargets and put their ship in a neutral ship, then the neutral ship becoming a legal target seems fair to me.

I agree with this. And I agree that it should also apply to mining ships doing the same with orcas. If you’re going to die just suck it up and die.

[Algathas]

@Lord_Kalus

t should also apply to mining ships doing the same with orcas. If you’re going to die just suck it up and die.

Yes, it should also apply to a neutral orca that docks tackled miner wartargets.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Lord_Kalus

You’re projecting butthurt

Maybe we have a different understanding of what projecting means. I don’t really care to project anything. It’s just what I’m reading. I don’t seem to be the only one.

But that’s just a side point. Not much I can do other than let you know, which I’ve done.

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

As previously discussed, going suspect/criminal should only happen via actions DIRECTLY performed by you, not actions indirectly facilitated by you but actually performed by your fleetmates. If I do nothing for 30 seconds, I shouldn’t suddenly go suspect in those 30 seconds through no action of my own (other than someone activating a killright on me - sole exception). The scram restriction is less harsh/radical than making Bowhead suspect, so I’m surprised there is so much opposition.