Mostl likely, havent really read it in depth either, and what if an external party took interest for instance. Leaves to wonder if any external legal warnings could be issued, or at least a formal investigation started. I mean, would it legally constitute as a scam/fraudulent endeavour, or not ? Those are generally pretty illegal.
I might be the weird one. I always read them twice and when there is a chance of change or update,I read them again. The agreements hold to a point in validity. To a point.
I lost my flashlight. Canât help you with that.
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula-en/
Unless im mistaken, none of its jibberish says âyou cant sue usâ ?
I find this topic interesting, This is your thread. With your permission I like to express a bit. However to do so,Iâd want to show some history that will broaden the scope abit. To allow a picture to seen with clarity.
Iâll use this post by way of edit vs continuing in a linear fashion.
What say you?
It is my opinion that the judge who set this in motion should have been shot before he laid his head down that night for sleep.
With that said it is also my opinion that this should be reversed. However that will be an all uphill battle because the nations of the world are now in the mercy of those entityâs will. Lobbyist are the scourge of our world what ever their cause. They deprive the common citizen of their rights and opinions.
To continue as brief as I can. I see a day when this will have effects that cannot and will not be tolerated. Its starts with accountability. Today the culture of corporations have distorted the way of life beyond measure.
Iâm not a conspiracy nut or a revolutionist. It just makes sense that people can only bare so much and I believe that point is nearing.
Now to the closer look at agreements. If one does agree. That it is worth the implication that the creator has honorable intent. If it is proven they donât then it also makes sense at a time in the future they will be held to an accounting.
The gaming industry has broken all know measure of accountability since their inception. It is only a matter of time that if they choose to not keep to their agreements,that they will have no choice to be governed by the nations they reside in and possibly by world governing bodies.
I honesty hope it doesnât need to go that far. Though I see most companies today do not seem to feel they need to. It is wrong and something will give sooner or later. The EA scandal may only be the beginning of holding all virtual,intellectual properties and associated products to be accountable. Not only on claims such as dates but also quality. In my line of work deadlines are absolutes but they are also made with the possibilities known. Gaming companies are rather blase about commitments and to me that is in itself a foundational inadequacy.
It is a common practice between companies by way of contracts,that if the agreements are not met in a timely manner or lack quality as define by the contract. It sets things in motion. One of those in the simplest terms is a back charge. I see no reason they shouldnât,when a player agrees contractually and fulfills their end by way of payment,that the issuer of the contract will also have to hold their end. If not,a âback chargeâ seems sensible. I see no reason why a company can assert human rights and then not act accordingly to their customer. It shouldnât be a one way street. If they want the right they have to respect it.
Considering all that in a brief,to consider the possibility of collusion of what has been mentioned here does indeed breach any confidence and can and will be valid terms to void any agreement to be accountable by way of lawsuits. whether they be by individuals or class action type.
Of course all legal eagles will want to dispute that to the end of time. They donât matter when enough people feel cause to affect change.
Sorry slow typing. Not perfect nor complete.
Thank You
tl;dr Companies need to keep their word or they will be regulated to insure accountability.
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Sure go for it.
I believe the term you are looking for is âracketâ.
The relevant excerpt:
3 a : a fraudulent scheme, enterprise, or activity
b : a usually illegitimate enterprise made workable by bribery or intimidation
c : an easy and lucrative means of livelihood
I wonât speculate whether this is the case or not, but it is entirely plausible. Weâre in uncharted territory, here in cyberspace. The âwild westâ, if you will. 
A fourth reason occurred to me regarding CCP and RMT. Maybe they canât do anything about it. Maybe they know who the key players are and who is doing it, but due to them being in an influential alliance or player corporation, they canât do anything about it. Maybe theyâve let it go on for so long now, and these alliances provide the bulk of âplayer driven contentâ in key regions that if CCP did start banning them, there would be no one left to play. It would be the equivalent of CCP chopping off their leg to spite their foot.
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Iâd not hesitate one second if my leg was gangrene to cut it off at a joint to remove it. It would hurt for a day,for a week,maybe even a year,yet I would have no regrets.
I in no way make the assumption that collusion is happening. I have no proof,nor am I looking for any such proof.
In the long run to let something happen due to fear is a real failure to let it drive a company.
Author Roger Zelazny wrote a book. In it he writes. That the best way to deal with fear or hope it to let it be realized. In doing so you disarm your opponent.
I really enjoy this book. I listen to it on audio. It would be awesome to have this book be an MMO
Youtube audio no commercials. I like the narrator. Donât care much for the 1st 3 min of some nubs review.
Sorry no. Seeing my effort wiped out every couple of years is not something I would consider fun.
That is the refrain we here from people who areâŚwellâŚauthoritarian. I know this is good for you, but you wonât do it so Iâll make you do it. Fortunately this is not IRL and you cannot impose this view via violence like the authoritarians IRL do.
BTW, this is the same kind of thinking that various leaders employ that invariable turns their countries into shitholes (like Venezuela, Zimbabwe, etc.) and brings tremendous suffering to the people living there.
Part of that fun is seeing the fruits of oneâs efforts. Sure I look back on my early days with some nostalgia, but I could start a new character. In fact, I recently did it and it wasnât something I stuck withâŚit just wasnât the same. Would I want to go through all the waiting when I already know what it is going to be like? Not sure I would.
Agreed, EVE is an example of a complex adaptive system where you get all sorts of things going on. Resetting that wipes it all out and much of what people have built. Some people might find that interesting, I wouldnât. Why spend 2 years working towards something you know will cease to exist? Adding this in will dramatically change player behavior and in ways that are hard to predict.
Yet alliances do fail cascade. Where is Atlas? Where is White Noise? Where is Morsus Mihi? Even corporations fail where is Black Nova Corporation, Reikoku, etc.
As for players reshippingâŚisnât that a good thing? They get back out there and fightâi.e. content something to do.
Interesting choice. Out of all the alliances that are now defunct you pick one of the alliances with a strong culture that allows it to be far more resilient than many other alliances. Kinda cherry picking there arenât you?
Why? If a group develops or has a strong culture that makes them resilientâŚwhat is wrong with that? Immersion breakingâŚwhat? A resilient group with a strong culture should simply disband after some losses? How about Tau Ceti Federation? Dead. The Ankou? Dead. IRON? Pretty much dead. Zenith Affinity? Dead. Cult of War? Dead. Ev0ke? Dead. Red.Overlord? Dead. All the alliances that used to live in Paragon Soul and Esoteria? Gone. A fairly resilient alliance like AAA is now a mere shadow of its former self.
Or not. If it requires more effort and is harder to getâŚpeople, who are naturally risk averse, may decide not to risk those valuable assets.
Nobody is going to have squat worth fighting over in the first year.
Thatâs fine for youâŚwhy impose that on the rest of us? I like reading economics journal articles; is it okay if I make you read them too? Sound like a fun evening sitting down and reading about new institutional economics? Just because you like something it is rather presumptuous that everyone else will like it too.
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I donât think heâs being authoritarian. Heâs asking for input about an idea. Heâs not demanding CCP impose this on us. Heâs asking for our reaction if they DID impose it on us.
America. lol
Well thanks for all this, it was very informative, and also I think one would require proof of such specific wrongdoing from CCP to support all of it, but itâs very well throught out and explained at least.
However, until we have that, something pops up or someone lays down the cash for a private investigation, Id be tending to see it more with Quakegod in the end, that CCP very much knows who all the culprits are, but arenât necessarily complicit in their activities with them.
I would go as far as say that the culprits now pretty much control CCP in many ways, quite possibly threatening them to leave the game should anything be drastically done to hinder or stop their activities. CCP simply chickens out at every turn on that prospect and would rather let the game get corrupt till the bitter end, out of misplaced comfort.
Personally, I think theyâre â â â â â â either way. The gangrene is no longer curable by amputation, and already spread to the nervous system. Injectors and micro-transactions were the first and final symptoms of that.
Itâs over Jim.
Im giving it a couple years at best, this year being where all the beefy official announcements and formal backstabbings will occur, and next year all the desperate selling out to some other company.
Also, if I could, by the press of a button, assemble every single Eve RMTer in a stadium, and drop a frenzy of tactical nukes on them, chances are I probably would.
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