Lack of Crimson Harvest Sites 🎃

[Vokan_Narkar]

@Syzygium

Either the sites weren’t really lucrative, so Vets simply ignored them, or like in the winter-event, some sites were accessible only for mining ships and in those sites some special ice was present which lasted long enough that even newbies could get their share. And those also didn’t pay that much, so people with 10+ Exhumers also ignored them and mined normal Ice instead for profit.

I am talking about pre-triglavian time. Yes they were very lucrative, you could get attribute boosters as a reward - both loot and an event “battlepass”. (I wonder why CCP stopped giving these out.) There was 1 site basically in every system in region and the difficulty was easy enough so I could do it as a fresh noob in a t1 thorax.

CCP dropped this design on a feedback from players as veteran players complained about lack of difficulty and wanted harder sites.

[Kezrai_Charzai]

@Syzygium

That is complete nonsense, as some players would just warp from Site to Site to Site to Site in their Polarized Marauders and farming them for hours and hours.

Except in the older event designs, this didn’t happen overmuch. A Marauder was overkill and people were doing sites in smaller faster ships and racing to grab the loot at the end. More frequent smaller sites with lesser drops led to more players involved.

@Syzygium

The only thing they need to change is that those sites should come in multiple difficulties, accessible for different ship classes, so Newbros can still collect Event Points and do sites without Vets in T3Cs or Marauders constantly outclassing them easily. The higher the system security, the higher the chance for low-difficulty sites, the lower the system security, the higher the chance for high-difficulty sites.

This would probably work, as the current design (3 rooms, tough fights, tons of ECM, drone hate, and strong boss) totally favor the Marauder/T3C/wealthy vet players.

@Vokan_Narkar

I agree, however I have to ask, why this worked in past? Less multiboxing?

Multiboxing isn’t the issue. Event design that favors high-end ships with meta builds/implants to get big drops is the issue. CCP appears to think that will push players to “get into the endgame” but actually it just means 3/4 of the players ignore the event and a relative few higher-end players farm the living heck out of it.

[Syzygium]

@Kezrai_Charzai

Except in the older event designs, this didn’t happen overmuch. A Marauder was overkill and people were doing sites in smaller faster ships and racing to grab the loot at the end. More frequent smaller sites with lesser drops led to more players involved.

Which events do you mean?
For Crimson Harvest a Marauder always outperforms anything else because of the site design. Same goes for the Guardians Gala Event (they are basically working similar, just with different ships as opponents…). Winter Nexus drops aren’t very valuable, so most vets don’t bother to run these.

The Dr.Who Crossover had ship limitations and Marauders couldn’t be used. Same for the last one where you had to create those filaments (forgot the name, I missed that one).

Can’t really remember in which one smaller and faster ships would be used, but I had some years break in between.

[Kezrai_Charzai]

@Syzygium

Which events do you mean?

Older event design such as the 2015/16 events (original Crimson Harvest, Purity of the Throne, Operation Frostline etc.). For reference on players reactions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3qe9ht/ccplease_keep_crimson_harvest_style_events_going/

Chasing Purity Skins in Querious

[Denyial]

I just quit Eve because of the lack of regular data and relic sites, making at best 30 million isk per day from though the average was 700k isk

As for the event sigs, there were stupid amounts of them in the systems i visited.
4 less subs for CCP because of lack of explorer content.

[Syzygium]

Thats how it looks where I do them, so the “problem” of not being able to find sites is mostly on those who try to find them around the populated areas. Go to the outskirts and space is full of them.

[Smarter_ThanU]

@Syzygium

That is complete nonsense

What makes you an authority on the subject?

There should be more sites.

[Syzygium]

@Smarter_ThanU

What makes you an authority on the subject?

Experience and skill of course. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of unclaimed event sites out there currently. It’s your own fault if you don’t find them because you look in the wrong areas. Even doubling the amount of sites wouldn’t help you a bit, because those people currently farming them away where you can’t find them, would just farm double the amount of sites and you would still find none.

Jumped one system:

[Smarter_ThanU]

@Syzygium

because you look in the wrong areas

You assume much.

And you’re still wrong.

[Average_Bigfoot_Enjoyer]

woah, incredible adventure.

[Syzygium]

There is not much to assume, it’s basic logic. If you complain about the lack of sites, but I can find more than I can even run, you are looking at the wrong areas. Hell, they even do respawn while doing them.

[Smarter_ThanU]

@Syzygium

you are looking at the wrong areas

Ok, tell me the ONE system with ALL those spawns…

[Chief_Deputy_Dingus]

I’m out of the loop. How much ISK can be made from a single Crimson Harvest site? And how long does it take to run? If they’re super profitable, it would make sense that there’s fewer of them in high sec and more in low sec.

[Syzygium]

@Chief_Deputy_Dingus

How much ISK can be made from a single Crimson Harvest site?

It’s a bit random. You get:

• NPC bounty: around 10-12M ISK (5M is the Boss alone)
• Tokens that are worth 1M each, random amount, I’d say 10-40 per site
• loot drops that can be worthless or jackpots (Skillboosters for 70 million ISK)

I think I get somewhere around 40-50M per site on average and I need like 10 Minutes in a somewhat pimped T3 Cruiser. An optimized Marauder can do the site in like 7 minutes, but travels slower between the systems and also is a nice gankmagnet. A reasonable well fitted HAC needs 12-15min. Thats a pretty nice income for HighSec, but remember the sites are limited and you can’t chain them endlessly.

And of course those sites have a downside: You are almost constantly tackled in there by multiple opponents. Pointed, Scrambled, Webbed - in every pocket. If Gankers come in and want to blow up your Marauder, HAC, or T3C you have barely a chance to escape. And it’s a 90% pvp loot drop event, so they are pretty active right now, looking for Pinatas… even in systems where they are usually not. So, it’s lucrative but not without risk.

[Smarter_ThanU]

@Syzygium

I didn’t think so.

Why mislead people?

[Syzygium]

Sorry, I can’t hear you, I am busy running the sites you can’t find.

[Smarter_ThanU]

How many points do you have?

[Smarter_ThanU]

Now it makes sense. You’re one of those.

[Akkar_Kardashev]

@Syzygium

And of course those sites have a downside: You are almost constantly tackled in there by multiple opponents. Pointed, Scrambled, Webbed - in every pocket. If Gankers come in and want to blow up your Marauder, HAC, or T3C you have barely a chance to escape. And it’s a 90% pvp loot drop event, so they are pretty active right now, looking for Pinatas… even in systems where they are usually not. So, it’s lucrative but not without risk.

Me in a Tetrimon Base last night in a Raven in a nullsec pocket.

Sabre and a Hecate in system.

Was only like 3 or 4 rats in when I had to bomp the MJD and bail.

Good times.

I was well into Hull at the time.

[Syzygium]

Somethousand of course. The event reward line is already finished, but since there are so many sites, I will probably do it on multiple accounts. You know, the rewards are awesome, I got around 4B loot just from the first one.

@Smarter_ThanU

Now it makes sense. You’re one of those.

Yeah, it does.

This is what doesn’t make sense: