Leak or good sense of future?

[zluq_zabaa]

@Quantus_Sumerian

Didn’t you just call arguments (LOTR Memes) “Nazi rhetoric” and demand that I be banned from the forums?

I asked you to state your opinion in your own words. Do that if you dare.

@Quantus_Sumerian

How the hell can you ever engage in rational discourse or debate when you think that speech itself should be banned?

You didn’t say anything yet. All you did was posting pictures, which obviously has the same function as a scream. You try to capture the audience by visual signal, since you can’t scream here. Let’s see what happens when you try to talk. Is there anything beyond an image folder and some mumblejumble? Any arguments?

I remember you said the same thing last time. You claimed that you can’t take part in a discussion because the others are so mean to you. Lol. you didn’t even try. You have nothing to say, you just come here to disrupt threads with nazi propaganda.

So yes, ban. Finito. No freedom of speech for an enemy of freedom itself.

@Quantus_Sumerian

That’s the thing zluq, if you ever read anything from history, you would find that the Nazi you are accusing LOTR memes as being, the actual real nazis, literally rose to power after Hitler was physically attacked and imprisoned for exercising his free speech and wrote his famous book “my Struggle” from inside a political prison.

Interesting, so you do have a personal interest in Hitler. See, I know a neonazi when I see one. I spotted you right away.

@Quantus_Sumerian

Did you not read the book?

I’m German and yes I’ve read the book. I recommend every one to read it. Don’t be surprised if it bores the ■■■■ out of you though. It’s literally the most boring thing I’ve ever come across. Wating ages for the part with the foxes. It has no structure, it’s written like someone sitting on the toilet randomly spitting out words.
So yeah, everyone should give it a try and see for themselves what a joke this guy was.

@Quantus_Sumerian

Censoring me doesn’t silence me, it doesn’t stop me, and it doesn’t destroy my ideas (dank memes).

It’s not about you. You are unimportant, your ideas are meaningless and no one needs to stop you, because you can’t do anything. You’re just a minority and you wish you were a big man, but actually you’re just an angry little guy who hates others, because he can’t love himself. Sad… but meh, who cares.

@Quantus_Sumerian

Post a danker meme, post a better argument, stop attacking and insulting me as a person, and engage my statements.

I won’t post images, I choose words. You’re the weakling who hides behind images and haven’t yet found the guts to make his statements in his own words.

You attack not only me, but a huge portion of mankind, directly, with your hate. You are the one who breached the peace, you’re the one who will go.

And soon we will forget you ever even existed. Bye bye.

[Qia_Kare]

The benefits of this sort of reimbursement occur before the reimbursement takes place. Those benefits being the confidence to invest in those modules and structures to begin with.

The Eve universe is arbitrary, rather than being governed by physics or natural law, so unlike the real world, you can’t depend on things to do tomorrow what they do today, and there’s always that risk that the Eve gods will change their minds.

The more richly players are compensated for items diminished or rendered obsolete, the less likely they are to eschew investing in items that could become diminished or obsolete. Particularly things that are imminently being replaced, but for which there is not currently a replacement.

Some savvy people do benefit from this, but I do not think it has a serious negative impact on the economy as a whole. Industrialists need buyers to have the confidence in their product to put the ISK down on the purchase, and I think this is about maintaining that confidence in the long term being prioritized over a one time economic disruption that will probably clear itself up in a short time.

Acknowledging the potential negative effects as I am, I think CCP should keep these kinds of events to a minimum (and I think they do), but better to make sure the majority feels they were fairly compensated and risk over compensating a few than to fairly compensate a few and leave the majority feeling jilted.

[Whitehound]

Thanks, Qia.

It’s a very nice and long response you’ve given, much more than I had hoped for to get in this thread. It’s very much appreciated.

[zluq_zabaa]

Lol, you’re editing my quote and deleting words that tell the shameful truth about you.

[Anderson_Geten]

lol this guy actually believe all those memes make sense ?

I thought they were funny because they were precisely a retard show . To think that some people actually think there is anything serious in those images …

[Avaelica_Kuershin]

Wait, you were talking about the person posting those pathetic memes, right?

[Anderson_Geten]

They are not pathetic, they are the result of a work on the absurd. That’s something I appreciate and that makes me smile.

Those memes consider an imaginary world, in which middle west is evil and people from there are not human, to make those Tolkien nonsense.

I always take those memes with some distance, only stupid people can believe their content. Though I agree this is actually hate speech and should result in a ban from the forum.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Quantus_Sumerian

LOTR memes = hate speech.

Indeed. I submitted a ticket to get you account banned. Hate speech are not to be tolerated on this forum. If you can’t accept the rules, you have nothing to do here.

There is no way to argue against hate speech. They are not rational discussion, just plain aggression.

[zluq_zabaa]

What are you calling him stupid for? To submit a ticket against racist propaganda? To remind you on the rules of this forum? Or for pointing out the lack of rational discussion from someone who avoids any direct reply to arguments, which is evident as soon as you read through the thread?

If you go into insults, at least make the effort to explain yourself ffs.

also:
Not as a direct reply to this guy, but for someone else who might be interested. I’m having my morning coffee break and decided to go for another round.

@Quantus_Sumerian

Is there a list of words that are and are not considered hate speech that I could see?

Quick analysis:

• It wrongly implies that single words are what makes or doesn’t make a statement hatespeech
• It maliciously claims furthermore that whoever is asked was supporting the concept of censorship
• It’s not an innocent question, but suggestive and trying to force you into “false dilemma”
• Also he tries to suggest that he himself would be opposing censorship, which might or might not be true, but it’s good to keep that in mind for later

@Quantus_Sumerian

I am an American and we have not received our copy of Angela Merkels alt left European Union of Socialist Republics list of censored and banned “hate speech” words, phrases and dank memes yet. Could you fill me in?

• First thing to note is that he claims to be American. While there is no way to tell wether he is a US citizen, the interesting point is that he tries to give his following nonsense more power by making it look as if he’s speaking for America (which he is not)
• Next invention is “alt left” which is a term the neonazi movement in the US is trying to introduce in an attempt to not make “alt right” look so bad (it’s also their own cloudy term for the neonazi movement they are)
• Then of course the invention of currently communist Europe. He builds up another strawman, in order to then attack it, which is a classic propagandist move.
• Furthermore he implies the same things he wrongly claimed in the first part.
• Also implying that his images were memes (they are not) and that they were dank (well, you decide).
• Finally another “false dilemma”, by asking confirmation for his own row of inventions and lies

@Quantus_Sumerian

Perhaps it can be found in a copy of George Orwell’s book ‘Nineteen Eighty Four’ listed under wrong think?

• Continuing with the fight against his own construct of lies, he now tries to use George Orwell
• Not much to say here, just that it is funny how 1984 first and foremost shows the danger of a society brainwashed to forget about real-life contradictions and instead believes what powerful economic powers with influential propagandist outlets tell them.
• It’s about how words get a twisted meaning, for instance when freedom is twisted into the notion that this guy presents: to be armed and to repeat what propaganda outlets spoon feed him; This kind of state of mind is exactly the topic of 1984 and well, kind of funny how the guy doesn’t realize that he is meant with it

@Quantus_Sumerian

Or maybe in HIS book ‘Animal Farm’, because some posts seem to be more equal than others.

• George Orwell was an Anarcho-Communist who criticized Soviet Russia for not being Socialist enough
• Orwell is someone who generally agrees with the concept of economical democracy, the basic idea of humans sharing every important ressource to guarantee a good life for all, the actual freedom for everyone to life a life they want, wherever they want
• If a person like Orwell critisizes Socialism for not being Socialist enough, his goal is to make it more Socialist, to make the ideas more a reality than they were at this point. I think that this is good.
• The guy who posts it on the other hand already showed he hates Socialism, so he tries to use a Supporter of socialism against it. Just a tiny rhetoric trick here.

@Quantus_Sumerian

Could I reference it in Aldous Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’ for not taking my leftist Soma?

• Basically look at 1984, it’s the same funny contradiction in which he doesn’t realize that he is part of the brainwashed part of the population. But why would he, how could he.

@Quantus_Sumerian

I might need to put in my handicappers after reading Kurt Vonnegut’s ‘Harrison Bergeron’.

• Again trying to use a Socialist (Vonnegut) against the posters own construct of lies against his invention of “Angela Merkels Socialist Europe”

@Quantus_Sumerian

Or are those books already on the hate speech ban filter as well?

• Nothing new here, nothing much said, just repetition.

Interestingly, the next thing is an image, but that image does not address the assumed censorship of anyone, but opens up a totally different topic.
It reads: “Hate bigot Gandald is arraigned in court for suggesting there may be biological or racial differences between Orcs and Elves”.
Let’s take that apart as well.

• First thing noteable is how this image not just uses fiction characters to speak about topics, it abuses them in several ways, first and foremost by completely derailing the differences between both worlds. It uses concepts of Tolkiens world where suitable (but ignores others) and uses lies about the real world where suitable (but ignores others). It’s a lie cocktail.
• As a sidenote, Tolkien took his insipration of characterization of “Orcs” from Germans, who he fought in World War One
• The real world claim is simple: “a bigot” is facing charges for claiming that there would be different human races (which is wrong)
• The image now tries to cloud that last part by using “Orcs” and “Elves” instead, because in the fantasy world of the book these are indeed different species. Humans are humans.
• So basically he portrays the “bigot” as a victim of injustice by stopping to write about the real world after half of the sentence and then switching into fantasy world.
• To give another example of how this could work: “Insane Q.S. is put into the mental hospital because he believes that fish can talk” (on top of a Disney comic that is well known to include talking fish)
• The image also claims that the person telling racist lies is the victim, because he would be facing charges (this would depend on the country, but a racist hatemonger certainly isn’t an innocent victim).

I’m sure most people anyway know all of this crap already. Just leaving it here on the odd chance that someone might never have met such propaganda.

In short, he uses false dilemma to twist the concept of hate speech, then invents a strawman in his head and tries to prove to be right by fighting against his own fantasy, and finally comes to what he is here to say: telling the lie that there would be biologically different races of humans and that it would be unjust if someone who told that lie, would face consequences for it.

You see the issue with nazi propaganda like this is that it is so full of lies, every question is suggestive, every underlying assumption is trying to trick you into false dilemma, that it’s just not much fun. Other people can discuss about it, but the propagandist will not enter a discussion in which he can’t scream (or post a lot of images in short time), derail or where people don’t let him get away with his cocktail of lies.

Coffee is gone, laters.

[ISD_Sakimura]

Looks like this has run it’s course and are now only generating spam and inappropriate flags. Closed.