Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux!

This kind of assumes one char per account per player. This isn’t how anything works in Eve. I’m in the casual end of the pool with a mere nine accounts containing various amounts of PvP focus, Industry Capability and so on, all of which also get covops because might as well be useful scouts at the same time. You also will never be limited to a zero sum game where you have to maximize exactly 100 chars/accounts/players in a corp or alliance, and have to min-max them. You can do 100 PvPers and 50 bears, 50 PvPers and 200 bears, etc etc. As long as there’s no limit to your recruitment capability it’s ridiculous to even consider going pure PvP because PvP focused characters are probably outnumbered by bear characters in Eve, even if I suspect pure bear players are outnumbered.

Enough to further imbalance the widening gulf between casual, spacerich and omfgultrarich. If the supply is so limited that it prevents runaway power creep among those who can turn injectors into further profit generating chars that can fund more injectors turned into further profit generating chars in perpetuity, it’s so limited it might not even exist. At that point it’d only benefit the ultra rich anyway, because supply and demand. If the supply is great enough that it pushes runaway wealth inequality - and thus power creep - then it’s equally broken.

Either way, borkd as ■■■■ and serves no real purpose that isn’t utterly negated by the downsides.

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And at the same time, that argument could be applied to ‘why nobody should start playing EVE’: the only method for trying to ‘catch up’ is to engage in wallet warrioring and ‘runaway power creep’.

On a personal level? That’s just not true. You can ‘catch up’ just fine. I have very young characters with zero injectors that are fully capable of being very competitive in a lot of fields. The runaway power creep happens as organizations, not really as players/characters. Age and time in Eve mostly acts towards broadening fields of expertise and capability. Characters a tenth the age of Miz here can be better than her in several fields of expertise, and caught up to her in others.

As a veteran I have the isk and sp spread across enough characters that I can conceivably do pretty much anything in Eve quite competently, but I could at the same time start a perfectly fresh untouched account getting zero isk or sp from others, and within a year be fully competitive in a field or another. Hell, that’s how I’ve done almost every character I own. Other than the original two alts, the rest earned their own way to being super capable capital pilots, or massive industry lords and so on, without even getting isk for training implants.

Hell, I once created a completely new char and without even letting it train a single SP I turned the 5k isk it started with into a billion in less than a month in Jita, just to try it out.

Catching up without skill injectors is a piece of cake. If anything, it’s a better path as it means your personal skill and competence will grow alongside your SP pool, rather than just paying your way to vast SP you don’t even know how to effectively use.

What it doesn’t allow for is rampant and unlimited growth as an alliance/coalition churning out Rorquals churning out Supers churning out ISK that turns into Skill Injectors that turns into Rorquals that churns out Supers that… well, you know the problem we’re looking at more intimately than I do at this point.

Nah, people can start playing Eve right now and match me in any field of expertise I have within a year. Might even surpass me, as I’m kind of ■■■■ at most things as a player. Skill Injectors really don’t have a redeemable feature.

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1 week in to it and my apartment haven’t been this clean in years, i had forgot how much free time you get when you dont play eve :slightly_smiling_face:

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If their response to such a situation where nobody can find them without significant effort is to cower and suck up to blocs (instead of taking advantage of the blackout to grab sov and establish themselves), then they shouldn’t be in 0.0 in the first place.

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And that is one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is that the blackout is preventing day to day PVE operations and small entities dont have the capabilities to lock down a system at all times of the day. Big entities do which is why many pilots from big entities love this update

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Soooooo…
When will LOW SEC BLACKOUT BEGIN.??
Guess null is set.

I’ve got mixed feelings for this change. I like both worlds - I like to build stuff and I like to blow up stuff, and I love the Submarinewarfare in Wormholes. So, let’s cmompare Nullsec with Wormholes:

Wormhole:

-“Delayed” Local
-only a fixed amount of Mass can fit through a Wormhole depending on the WH-Size
-No Stargates
-Wormhole Entries collpase after a specific amount of Mass or Time and spawn somewhere else
-High Risk, High Reward Ratting, especially Class 5 & 6 Wormholes (2b+ isk/h with a Dread fittet for 6b)
-Hard to Locate
-You can’t jump into a WH with a Jump Drive
-No Supercapitals
-Moongoo

Nullsec:

-Has Stargates
-Supercapitals
-Moderate to High Risk, Low Reward Ratting (Compared to J-Space Ratting) 200m isk/h with a 20b+ Ship
-Moongoo
-Easy to reach with Cynos
-Cloaky Camping
-Enemy can bring in infinite reinforcements

I can understand that people are angry, since pretty much every Nerf in the last few years affected only
Players living in Null. Supercapital Ratting is pretty much pointless compared to Dread-Ratting in J-Space. Risking 20 Billion ISK for 200 mio isk/h compared to 6 billion ISK for 2 BILLION+ ISK/h is just a joke, especially with the broken Drifters in Null at the Moment. Also, people who are living in J-Space don’t need to worry about getting hotdroped, and cloaky camping is already a pest in Nullsec without a real Countermechanic.

I’m an Industrialist, and I do 95% of my crabbing by daytripping to empty Wormholes, so this event won’t affect me, but I can understand the anger from the Miners/Ratters.

If this Event will be permanent I fear that this great game might loose 50% of the Playerbase and will die eventually. As an Event only however I think this will be great.

Sincerly,

Renegade Void

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I would introduce to increase the fan pvp event of disconnecting Concorde in the empire for a certain period.
He also introduced structures that are installed in wormholes leading to VH, which increased the ship’s permeability both in mass and in size. Such a wormhole cannot be closed until it closes by itself.

A) How many hours can you do that in your wormhole? How many of you can get that 2B/h? We can run those supers all day, every day, 10+ to a system. And do.
B) What broken Drifters? Seriously, everyone keeps going on about the Drifters like the initial onslaught was the new normal. It lasted 3 days, then stopped for 2 days. Then it resumed for 2, with a tweak, turned off again, and then had 1 last burst on the Monday before the Blackout started. By the time the Blackout started, there hadn’t been a Drifter attack for 4 days. In the 8 days since? Still none. The only Drifters in null are the normal ones in the JO systems when a wormhole spawns.
Here, show me all the ‘broken’ nullsec kills:

C)lol hotdrops. Be in the defense fleet, have your cyno fitted. When they show up, counterdrop them with bigger guns.

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But you seem to forget, WH and Null are not for the casual players … that HS

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CAn i haz local?

Can has
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I was hoping never be a time when they’ll be having some people to understand when are you just saying hello why you place a bounty on a person just for no reason at all. And then you call other people online and then you get them to do the same thing the same person making the person that dart board for a bounty. Is it possible that everybody will be having in the development section of blackouts to fix that. Because I agree about a change in communication. Not to stop people from playing. and then the reciprocation you can’t do it. Because they really hurt your back and you just trying to enjoy being in the same Community is Eve. I believe in a real good idea from the development people of Eve that’s really good.

Lol obviously an alt… And if you’d read any of my other posts you’d know that :wink:

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They are not limited.
In fact the only limits that are placed upon them is their own.

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huh? you mean small alliances cant put a gatecamp at each end of a pipe to protect their space? sounds like theyre too small to be in null - perhaps they should try growing a decent corp or alliance rather than renting?

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I believe that the main reason of the inflation was created not by carebears that actively play, but rather the armies of bots in certain huge alliances. The blackout came because of 2 main reason: first, CCP impotence against BOTs, if they actually had the ability to stop booting the current inflation wouldn’t have been so abrupt, and second CCP does not have the balls to shut down the BOTs even if they could, as this would mean direct affront to the biggest alliances in the game, look at the monthly economic report and you can easily realise who was using bots and in what region. Because CCP is becoming a little bitch I will unsub all my accounts, and before you strat shouting, I do have a couple of PvP toons in active pvp corporations, also a few miners to sustain those pvpers in other alliace, also a few ratters to boost my income, a couple of toons for incursions, a few WH-ers, a marketer, couple of indi, about 16 accounts in total. I have enjoyed this game, but this is actually braking the game, and all for the cowardliness of CCP. I do kill miners and ratters and I do get killed this is the game, that is how is played, but what CCP does is not what we have asked for almost a decade now, stopping BOTs is done differently. How much do you guys wanna bet that the big alliances that are the main users of BOTs are going to be in the same hierarchy on the monthly economical report next month, and that in a couple of month the figures will come back to the figures before the blackout, they will keep using bots just like they did before. The blackout is actually hitting the little guy, the small corporations. Congratulation CCP you managed to fk up the game to the point of making players like me, 14 years of eve to realise … i do not want to play this game anymore … fk it … it is not a sand box anymore when you get NPC to attack player structures … you directly manipulate the game and meddle in our economy. The decision of the course of the game’s economy was removed from the player. And in about 3 months of blackout when those retards that only play this game from the “hunter” perspective will have to buy plex in order to replace their ships because the prices are going to skyrocket as the offer will decrease, only then will everyone realise what exactly is CCP doing with the blackout.
With all due respect for the players … FK U CCP … I used to take pride that I played this game … you have become a little “cu-nt” and I do not want to play this game until you back the fk out and just provide environment without removing the player decision within the eve economy.

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People pve’ing in small gangs perhaps?
i would :slight_smile:
Course most people in null… well eve; dont want to fly logi (AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY SUCK)