Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux!

My opinion has been changed somewhat and I can agree that the stagnation issue is partly due to jump range and jump fatigue features. On it’s own BO isn’t the issue.

I hate to say it but management do need to go over the history of Eve and see where the players were happiest and try to re-implement features from those times. Generally Eve does have a good player base and many of us have been patient.

Perhaps CCP can do surveys for all players to get an insight into exactly what features are causing the issues and go from there.

This is fine…

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As a restaurant proprietor for 28 years. I always asked my chefs to cook what 50 people like to eat.

If not, then cook what 49 people like to eat.

Lost only 1 customer is a bad thing but lost 1 customer is better then lost 49 customers.

Not sure what CCP is cooking right now. Only Mark and CCP know what best for EVE :smiley:

And only Mark and CCP knows how many customers they have lost or gain.

One fact I know for sure is CCP just lost 3 customers (an Omega accounts).

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CCP can play their Chaos Game. I am playing something else. Their issue with this uncertainty and the players that are leaving, they’ve broken the trust however much or little they once had. Many of them have stopped investing in their toons, their plans, and many quite frankly in CCP. When one sets up a two year or better plan to get into something all while subbing for a training que to have it all dashed to hell I can’t blame a single one of them.

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“BO is not the issue”. Correctomondo!

It’s the combination of BO with the other environment features which are inherent to Null and abscent in WH Space, from where the feature was irresponsibly copied.

And jump range, fatigue and other projection tools fall exactly in place when I question the implementation of BO.

If only cynos and jump bridges were selective on the ship types range… or if their effect on certain ships would vary, penalizing some hulls when activated… many, many things to work on there. Also cloaking, nullified hulls, ability to enter WH even aggro, etc.

Other than the fact that most of them are disproportionately potentiated by BO, what they have in common is that to work on them, in order to achieve whatever objective was attempted with chaos, they require power of innovation, which only comes from creativity fed by discipline. Things that we thought were being paid for.

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What we paid for was not delivered.

Most of us trained for years and years towards some goals and every time CCP intervenes, our efforts are nullified. That is why most of us are frustrated…

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As you were a “restaurant proprietor for 28 years” you know yery well that you cook what the customers like not what you like.

And in this case CCP have spent years cooking things most of the players except those in Null hated.

Now they have finally realised they don’t want to only cater for Null, expecially as most of the Null players are using coupons (Plexes)

WoW classic like millions of others?

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PLEX is not illegal

neither are coupons.

I really cannot see the problem with plex. Correct me if I am wrong:

  1. A player does not want to mine or rat for isk
  2. He buys some plex and sells it in the market for ISK
  3. Someone else who mines or rats buys that PLEX and can keep playing

It looks to me that everybody should be happy about that. CCP gets his money, plex seller does not spend time pveing and the plex buyer can keep playing without credit card

Man, we are tough! to the point that we obliviously accept the sophism of “making it harder to experienced players” as a cure to the issues.

You are not alone in that frustration but have to admit not everything was done to nullify your goals. There were multiple moves, an endless list of “features” that procured towards facilitating new players’ experience, their growth and enrichment. Tons of efforts dedicated to the meta, to put it somehow.

To come back and tell you that experienced players should have it harder… I mean, what else do they want? I’m not saying that experienced players have been squeezed in purpose but all those features were “universal” and there was no categorization within, there was an idea of introducing solutions for a segment but applied to the whole thing. It required too much work to apply segmentation or categorization on every new or revised feature.

We are the easier group to blame living in the punch bag of EVE, the ultimate guinea pigs to portray as culprits and singled out as objective while hindering lazyness and neglect in the same move.
It was the contrary but because we are tough, some think we can also take that blame.

There is nothing wrong with people who Plex, they provide content for the players with cash. However those who plex their accounts are not financially supporting CCP directly, it is indirectly by providing isk to buy the plex.

And just like people in restaurants with coupons, you want them to help people try the venue or cover times when then cannot afford the full price.

So the easiest way to explain it is the people who buy plex with isk are like people who buy food with 2 for the price of 1 coupons.

Well, lets say that there are 10 players. 5 of them are paying with credit card and one of them is also buying some extra plex (lets say 5) and selling them in the market for isk. The other 5 players buy those PLEX in the market.
So, there are 10 players and CCP sold 10 PLEXes. If there were no PLEX in the market, those 5 would not be able to play and CCP would sell only 5 plexes. 5 players 5 PLEXes. So players who buy PLEX are also financially supporting CCP. So there is no 2 meal for 1 coupon. For EVERY OMEGA account in this game either by credit card or PLEX, CCP gets his dollars (If there is not another way to generate plex ingame)

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Those are character numbers, not player numbers.

Except that those 5 plex players could be replaced by an algorithm, except in that they add content to the game and you are right there is no 2 for 1 deal as those buying plex from the market are using NO CASH, but for the purposes of example I was being generous. In reality it is like a kids eat for free restaurant, where the parents have had to pay more for their meals.

Unfortunately for CCP plex buyers in cash are not the children of those who buy plex in cash, so no happy meal advertising.

well, whatever…

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you invite your girlfriend to the restaurant for dinner, the plate shes is served is cold . After she complains, the busboy comes and tells her HTFU because she doesnt pay directly the bill.

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And if those paying plex for cash were getting the girlfriend experience, I am sure getting people to buy plex with cash would be a lot more common.

To use your example, the hobo going through the bins outside, eating what someone else has paid for gets cold food, would the guy who bought the meal care?

No, they can’t, because that would reduce demand for PLEX, so people wouldn’t buy as many PLEX from CCP.

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