Yeah, gonna call ■■■■■■■■ here. You most definitely have a ‘way’, even if you’re not playing. It usually revolves around literally anything that hurts people who don’t play exactly the way you prefer.
Again, being intentionally dense, but fine: Comparing the response to a change in conditions between groups of very different playstyles is not a valid way to draw conclusions about groups of different sizes. Only about groups of different play styles. You are intentionally polluting your data in order to try to manufacture the result you want, and it’s dishonest.
You’re really not even close to that dense or bad at google. Frankly, I’d be mildly insulted at the tepid accusation if it wasn’t such a transparent attempt to get a rise out of me.
Now that is actual bullcrap. I loathe bears, defined in this case as those who demand to have access to the best space in the game without having to deal with any risk in order to do so. All the benefits, none of the drawbacks. In other situations, it can mean those who demand to be considered to be X, Y or Z (you know the circles we’ve been sharing) without having to deal with enemies of X, Y or Z considering them enemies, etc.
I very demonstrably do not have a problem with people bearing. I’ve done pretty much everything in that regard myself, in all three secs. Dabbled in WHs too, but often fell short on investing time there, but you are perfectly aware that I have pretty much indulged in every activity in Eve and I am not after ‘hurting’ anyone doing things in Eve. I am after hurting those entitled little shits who won’t deal with the risks or work needed to do these things reasonably.
Everyone bears at some point or another, in some form or another. Anyone worth sod all in that regard does so knowing that’s a PvP activity all on its own, like everything else while undocked.
Ignorant, not dense. I know sod all about sports, sports teams, etc. You’re going to have to be very generalized in your terms if you want to make metaphors on that ground. Also, you’re misunderstanding me. I’m not comparing the response in that way, I’m telling you how hard limitations actually work - and how groups just as valid or most likely more valid because they actually cause interaction and content are in fact considering the playing field more level under such conditions. While also telling you that “play/counterplay” is a worthless thing to propose as long as superblocs have infinite resources, which they for all intents and purposes do. Hard limitations are the only things that can do something about that.
Again, ignorant, not dense. There is no accusation, nor attempt to get a rise out of you, other than letting you know it’s fuckin’ retarded to blather sports down to specific teams at someone who genuinely couldn’t possibly care less short of braindeath. I’m not that bad at google. I just refuse to engage with google over something that ridiculous.
New Zealand Rugby teams. Christ. It’s like me using kjerringløft and hallingdans in metaphors and expecting them to make sense.
Damn, when did they start letting cynos into wormholes?
When did permanent gates get added?
When did all the other things that K space has get added to wormholes?
Are you now saying wormholes as only as dangerous as what many call the safest space?
You do loathe ‘bears’, conveniently defined as ‘whatever I want it to mean I get to slam for this conversation’.
Again: ■■■■■■■■.
Smaller groups. That’s your initial criterion. And when you clarified that you meant ‘smaller groups with a totally different play style’, I told you it was a flawed comparison, because it’s not a direct comparison. You can’t have a ‘level playing field’ if both sides aren’t playing the same game, with the same goals, and the same rules. Change the rules, it’s not the same game. Change the goals, it’s no longer functionally the same game.
And you know it.
Really? So asking me if I’m being racist isn’t an insult or an attempt to get a rise out of me?
Yeah, whatever you say, Miz. Lemme know when you wanna try being honest about a single goddamned thing. I won’t hold my breath.
Conveniently defined by the context of the argument. Do you find me using the word in the way I said it to be anything but clear and direct here?
A claim you won’t back up with some kind of evidence is one I’m going to disregard with the exact same amount of evidence. I’m not even sure what you’re whiteblocking at this point. The argument or that I am making the argument.
… I was under the impression they all played Eve, under the exact same ruleset? What people’s goals are is entirely irrelevant to the game or the ruleset. If there’s a game of chess and I start playing checkers instead, it’s still a chessboard and the rules are still the same no matter how much I’d want it to be otherwise. Why would throwing checkers pieces on the board entitle me to not have to adhere to how the other guy moves his queen?
The goals are irrelevant. The game is what it is for everyone, and the argument is very simple: Hard limitations level the playing field more effectively than “play/counterplay” unless you can somehow remove the megablocs’ access to functionally unlimited resources. If you have that, you have infinite counterplay. If you don’t, “play” doesn’t even come into play. Hard limitations are necessary before play/counterplay becomes an option that actually affects everyone.
Quote me asking if YOU were racist. I was genuinely wondering if the time period evoked and the name somehow implied the metaphor was about racism which in turn somehow related to the massive power imbalance of Eve. I am not a subtle person. I don’t imply if I think you’re racist or anything else. You know perfectly well I say those things straight to your face. No, I have no reason to think you’re racist. I do think you’re vastly overestimating the cultural relevance of variants upon handegg.
Seriously, what exactly is your problem here? I’m genuinely being civil, and while I have given you reasons to be snippy before, you’re being pissy for reasons I can’t figure out here and now.
The Blackout has been an unprecedented developer caused disaster for null life. My main character’s corp had somewhat recently moved to Null and was growing, expanding our numbers, creating a corp that was more akin to a bunch of friends hanging out, mining, making things, and having fun doing it. The Blackout was like a wrecking ball to what we were building. We could nolonger generate revenue to pay Bills via normal means and I among others had to dip in to our personal wallets to keep the bills paid and structures fueled. We were lost half our members quitting outright, the majority of the rest stopped logging in. We couldn’t just go to high sec due to a simotanious unending war dec. We were on the verge of being forced to give up on living in Null. The BO should never have been done. And now that it is finally over we are going to have to rebuild from a level of damage I have never before seen inflicted on a corp by the game developers decisions them selves. You anticipate and half expect spies to try to infiltrate and RIP apart a corp. You don’t expect CCP to inflict that sort of damage.
It’s perceived as a disaster by those that couldn’t or wouldn’t adapt.
The fact still remains that perfect intel allows the opportunity for perfect safety.
A watered down or incursion based version of the blackout should still be considered by CCP, to keep null sec dwellers on their toes and occasionally tip the balance of the isk-risk a little more towards the risk side .
Its not perfect safety, and i don’t think the issue is local, rather the ability to respond to threats quickly - dropping supers and titans (as Delve became famous for) - that’s the thing that needs to be tackled, the environment that enables almost certain safety.
That said, an alliance of 40,000 people/characters should be quite capable of maintaining their space against a group of 5/10/50 people/characters in relative safety anyway…
null corps want a local well let them maintain a super expensive structure to give them local in there staging area and adjoining systems only as having it as is with station docked alts reporting all +1s in local to intel channels just makes it a stagnant mega corp love in and safe space for bots
you null sec care bear with your 5.0 sec status don’t realize ti already cost over 500m to go from -7 to 0.0 if you think this is a small sum (this doesn’t include buying tags which can easily run well over a bil.) your clueless rantings tell me you’re part of the botting bottom feeders or a goon something really.
Being risk averse really which is a different thing altogether - that and the BO swung things too far in favour of the hunter - basically it became whack-a-mole…
Local has been in game for 13 years, it can stay - other things should be looked at to counter some of the ‘issues’ - cheap ass quick fire changes don’t work.
Eve is far more complex - its pretty mature and everything links together - think stones and ripples - it deserves more attention and understanding when looking to make changes (and some actual ideas about what needs to be achieved) .
The BO was pathetic really (although quite fun), CCP needs to get some competent game design devs.
It is perfect for safety for anybody who knows what they’re doing and is paying attention
The game design rewards passive gameplay, the best defense is to dock up and bore hostiles out of your area. Which is easy to do seeing you always know when they’re in your system. Hostiles can do absolutely nothing to entice people out to fight because any harm they could possibly do is hidden behind timers and massive hitpoint totals. So, by sitting tight, your system’s under no threat, you’re not risking any ships to defend it and discouraging the hunters from coming back.
Doesn’t sound like much fun for anybody if you ask me
which is a different thing altogether - that and the BO swung things too far in favour of the hunter - basically it became whack-a-mole…