lol–yes you are right 
sad but true
That’s less concern and more derision. Nothing dishonest about that. You’re going out of your way to either misunderstand or just plain twist what I’m saying, so there’s no discussion to be had and no “tactics” are necessary.
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Funny, that’s exactly what I said.
And you were just as wrong then. Don’t take this as concern trolling, because this is the god’s honest truth: I don’t know what you got stuck up your arse, but you’ve been having an ever- worsening hissy fit since about the second post on this subject, flying off the handle for no reason I can determine and have since decided to apply the absolute worst possible interpretation of anything said. I’ve never seen you be this unreasonable before, nor this petty. I can’t even speculate as to why you’ve gone off the deep end on it, but you have.
You really should go over the thread again and try reading it without whatever is making you such a twat. Something is getting to you, and I suspect I can’t even take credit for it.
Maybe playing the same game but that hi/null sec carebear isn’t playing the same way as a low sec pirate or a hi sec ganker.
But the main point of the black out was to curb bots to put a drain on the isk in game and the null sec black out was always going to be a temporary thing any way, if all these botters would have read the patch notes they’d have known this.
Yup. I’m totally flying off the handle. 'zactly what I’m doing. Just raging out and flipping my ■■■■ while landing a rover on Minmas.
I tried explaining it to you multiple times. I know you’re smart enough to understand what I’m saying. I also know you’re smart enough to understand that simplifying all of the different aspects of EVE to ‘A. Game.’ is disingenuous and dishonest. You keep trying to tell me I have to get off my high horse and get over myself, but one of us is saying that two people can be playing very different games within the same framework, while the other insists on denigrating people who don’t play in the One True Way™ they approve of.
And you’ve done this for years. Any time anyone did something that wasn’t how you’d do it, or did something you didn’t like, they were immediately wrong, and often, got accused of being terrible people who had absolutely no redeeming qualities in life. And yes, you can play off the ‘when I do it, it’s objectively true’ as snark, but nobody who’s dealt with you beyond the forums for more than about 30 minutes believes that.
And really, I’m just tired of it. You don’t even play EVE anymore. You confidently state that losing active players (including PvPers who just got tired of seeing all of their friends leave because of the Blackout) meant losing ‘nothing of value’, and that EVE dying off would be a ‘win’, a good result.
And now all this nonsense. It’s just more dishonest, self-aggrandizing ‘everyone who doesn’t think like I do can screw right off’ claptrap. And I’m done with it.
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They caved in to a bunch of whiners and completely lost control of their game.
Professional has left the building.
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It may feel that way yes but the bottom line is the BO was always going to be temporary though i wshed htey’d hav elet it run a while longer but hey ■■■■ happens and because of it this happened Rorqual | Wraith Mcgee | Killmail | zKillboard so i’m good with it.
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So because of the blackout that ended the day before, you got a Rorqual kill?
And for the record: good on you for killing him. I’ve got no idea why that idiot was even in T8H to begin with. We don’t even hit T8H for Locustfleets when there’s full supercapital coverage in Querious. Whatever reason he had for being there, he deserved to get killed for it.
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CCP just has no imagination, they should have sent in NPCs to kill all the sov structures in Null. Then if they didn’t want to log in, bad luck.
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Folded to the bot 1/4 income pressure like we all knew CCP would.
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That’s overdoing it, but it does look to me like you’re having one hell of a bug up your arse.
Of course there’s differences to various aspects of the game, but you’re vastly overstating it when you start talking about different sports or different games. The game really doesn’t change that much throughout Eve, beyond scales. You know I’ve done all of it, and for the very most part the exact same principles apply. Disagree all you want, but you don’t get to invoke “One True Way” advocacy in others when you’re being a twat denying people the ability to legitimately and justifiably holding that view.
Quote one word of mine that says that. Oh yes, I most certainly loathe a whole class of entitled bear players that can’t deal with life outside perfect intel and perfect safety, but that has nothing to do with “not playing the One True Way”. In fact, you’re being a disingenuous twat by even claiming that knowing that I have indulged in damn near every PvE activity the game has to offer. I’ve played every way. I don’t condemn the ways, I condemn the pathetic parasite worthless ones that can’t function if the game isn’t giving them the best possible rewards for absolutely none of the risks.
Okay, you read the post in that link and portray it as anything but the most insane and outrageous hyperbole? And you are accusing me of being intentionally dense? I have most certainly gone hardline and hyperbolic in terms of crapping on the worthless players who contribute to nothing but stagnation, inflation and risk adversity, but that wasn’t the post to link as evidence of that. There’s so many others where I wasn’t making a hyperbolic joke.
If you want to portray it as it isn’t snark, you’re either delusional or a disingenuous dick, and you know it. I have severe views on certain types of bear, and you can find actual quotes that portray that without you being such a dishonest twat.
I do consider it nothing of value, yes. If people are leaving because they can’t play in perfect safety, they have no value to the game. They are, if anything, one of the problems that the game needs to solve, because catering to that kind of player only ensures the eventual death knell of Eve through stagnation and living death. Eve can’t survive long-term as a game worth playing if it allows for perfect safety, anywhere. Advantages in numbers will and should be a thing, but never perfect safety. If Eve dies off as a result of perfect safety being gone… yeah, that’d be a win. A good result. Because it’d be a mercy. It’d be end-of-life, at a point before the worst indignities of festering in its own filth, on whale and bear lifesupport.
You may see value in that kind of person. I don’t. You might not agree with or respect that view, but you don’t get to claim its dishonest or self-aggrandizing without backing that up.
Find something self-aggrandizing in the discussion we’ve had these days. In fact, if all it takes to invoke “everyone who doesn’t think like I do can screw right off” is disagree with your myopic viewpoint, then that’s something most people in Eve will be guilty of at this point.
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so getting rid of it was completely retarded. IMO. Why not maximize risk vs reward. make players use some kind of tech that will maintain channels. like if empires maintain highsec channels force players to maintain nullsec channels by forcing them to use some kind of “communications” structure.
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PCU count has been in steady decline for years. Trying something different which traded bots and passive players for reactivating PVPers and engaged players (even in lower numbers) is at least a new direction which could have yielded results.
Worst case scenario EVE is fun and short lived instead of a slow, monotonous march to the same death.
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No, you’ve done a lot. You haven’t done it all. You’ve bitched about other people not doing the things you weren’t willing to do, like alliance leadership when you were in U’K.
I did. Click the link.
Given the repetitive trend over the years? Yeah, I do. You’ve done it time and again, in-game, out of game, off the forums, yeah. Sorry if you don’t like the impression you’ve given people for years, but there it is.
we got him on y’all’s jump bridge so you tell me why he was there loaded with fuel,
Not willing? Are you seriously trying to imply I have at any moment had the slightest chance of leading sod all? I’m one of the least likable people in the world. I don’t inspire followers. I have led a small amount of men in the army and I can organize emergency response, because those are professionals relying on professionals. This is a game with nerds in it, and none of them are ever going to follow me. My job in organizations is at absolute best advisory or educational, because that’s as far as people are willing to endure people like me.
As for U’K, I suspect you know a damn sight less about what went on in there than you think.
And the link doesn’t show anything of the sort.
The fact that I have little new material doesn’t make hyperbolic and derisive jokes something other than hyperbolic and derisive jokes. If you decide to interpret that as something else, you don’t really get to claim others are being disingenuous, because that’s unreasonable even for you.
Not that any of that matters. The fact remains, my argument remains unchallenged:
When megablocs effectively operate with infinite resources, having isk and ore faucets that can’t be shut off, “play/counterplay” options aren’t going to affect them at all. X amount of cost/effort subtracted from infinity only leaves infinity. Any “counterplay” reinforcing something like chat channels or whatever, be it anchorable structures or whatever else will drain either a small amount of resources from a Horn of Plenty and thus have zero effect, or to actually have an effect it’d have to be so costly no one without such a horn of plenty could possibly engage in neither play nor counterplay due to the prohibitive resource cost.
Anyone without that Horn of Plenty, Super Umbrella and so on would be affected either way. It’d either subtract resources from a much more finite income/pool to “play”, or it’d do the same for “counterplay”. Or, if it was priced significantly enough to affect even the megablocs, both play and counterplay would be entirely out of reach.
This is why play/counterplay variants would be disproportionate and only negatively affect the non-megablocs. Megablocs can’t be affected by play/counterplay variants of (insert chaos era nonsense of choice here) unless play/counterplay effectively bars anyone else from even attempting.
It is then hardly unreasonable to say hard limitations and universal effects are going to have to be necessary elements of any beneficial changes to Eve, nullsec stagnation in particular. Be it finding limitations on isk/ore faucets, ‘perfect intel’, or whatever else: If it’s not a flat ceiling across all of it, the megablocs will always just be able to brute force it so it has no effect on them. Hard limitations however, will affect everyone. Megablocs less than others, but it’d still be a damn sight more fair than the alternative.
Play/Counterplay comes into the equation once you’ve found ways to limit the Horn of Plenty. Without significant diminishing returns scaling with organization size, either imposed manually or somehow automatically accounting for trying to circumvent such scale calculation with corp/alliance fracturing etc, the Horn of Plenty prohibits any Play/Counterplay implementation from being effective.