Why not. Putting BO back screwed the play of a lot more players than all those who live in Null.
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wandering through null last night and this morning just doing a little recon to see for myself the difference without the blackout and its a pretty sad state of affairs post blackout ⌠as soon as i enter a system 1 of 3 things happens.
- everyone docks up
- everyone leaves system
- a small t2 blob enters system and tries to camp the gate they assume I will use
(its about 90 % option number 1 and 2 )
and if i just lurk in one system watching the traffic its dead there is literally zero movement in an area where last month there would be around 40+ jumps and hour at these times.
I get the points from some folk that the blackout wasnât exactly the most well thought out plan from CCP but it at least injected some life into null, just from my own wanderings and doing a little digging around on dotlan looking at traffic movement has dropped to a pathetic level is that really the nullsec that people want !!!
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sounds like: if ya whant to kill someone? work for it!
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there is working for it then there is having everyone flee or dock up or reship into t3 cruisers the second you enter a system making it an impossibility and like i said traffic is non existent I sat in a bottle neck in a main route in and out of null last night and this morning for hours just sat in a covert ops explo ship watching local while watching a movie and there was pretty much zero movement for hours in a route that was getting plenty of traffic during blackout.
It just seems to me those who reside in null under the protection of their big alliances like it like this, stagnant zero traffic no one but blues for several systems around you, as someone relatively new to the game it saddens me. You hear stories about null and huge wars for territory when you look into this game guessing those are from long ago before it turned into a stagnant mega alliance system rental racket nullsec just seems more about profit margins and having your unlimited resource fountains than a conflict zone.
But thats just my opinion, no doubt I will receive dogs abuse from some salty jaded vet for having the audacity to have an opinion let alone airing it.
Well, yes, of course. You donât want to fight a war on your own territory, you want to fight it in someone elseâs territory.
However, your larger point is correct; ainât much going on in Null other than TEST getting in over its head. Again.
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So youâre trying to tell me you saw more people during BO than without?
Wasnât the whole point not being able to see them?
And what everyone can see is the login numbrer in the launcher reaching higher right after DT than at peak time during BO.
Numbers donât lie - you do.
And the last war ended when CCP decided that we have to shoot worthless NPCs instead of players so we can keep our structures.
The logistical effort of moving thousands of people and their capitals around the galaxy is something you can not understand. Months of preparation and thousands of man hours.
Noone wants to go over that when CCP might do something similarly stupid again at any point in time.
This still boggles my mind how people at CCP keep coming up with ways to reinvent stupidity to ever new hights.
Or think of the 40% damage booster + 1mil SP they sell for 5 bucks nowadays.
Falcon even apoligised for that one but theyâre still selling it so that apology can pretty much go back to the garbage pile from wich they source their corporate speech.
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And there we go the jaded salty vet response for daring to have an opinion while not being a super 1337 âi have 21 accountsâ nullsec dweller.
yes i saw more people in system on Dscan during the blackout than I see in local chat post blackout and was able to do so because I have mastered this amazing thing called pressing the V keyâŚ
I can also go onto dotlan and just see the traffic plummet as soon as you got your precious local back but I suppose dotlan is a liar too !
Feel free to spend another 20 mins composing a retort and call me a liar from an alt forum troll acc its pretty much what I expect from these forums now 90% alt acc trolls.
its was nice to get an actual measured reasonable response from @Eadwulf_Ronuken at least there are a small percentage of you that are not just abusive 1337 trolls using alts.
Come to K-6K16 and iâll happily spank your littel noob butt - but as zkill tells me youâre too busy ganking asteros in w-spaceâŚ
Interesting actually - i donât even see you killing stuff in null while BO was still goin on? Guess youâre just the Astero ganking alt of some 12 year frustrated wannabe elietist after allâŚ
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Holy â â â â my main beats every single stat of your entire corporation 
You better find a new home or i might launch a single man eviction against you, only plroblem being i canât evict a homeless man.
And you think you deserve to be in the position to attack an entity like Goons and get away with it?
Really man youâd be better off finding corp mates who at least know what theyâre doing and start lerning the game propperly.
There is no reason to loose so much stuff in so dumb situations as your corpmates doâŚ
Now i see why youâre already getting frustrated over other peoples sucess - no fun in lagging behind like that.
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And yet more insults and an invite to the middle of goons space rofl but still from an alt, its a sad state of affairs when those with such massive ego feel the need to hide behind anonymity to throw insults and swing their d^&* around.
Or perhaps you hide because your own killboard shows that you havent managed to take on anything and win without the aid of a swarm of your corp mates, either way makes no difference you add nothing to this discourse other than insults and cheap shots and a consistent whining whenever anyone suggests anything that would add an element of skill or organization over and above station docked alts reporting +1s so there is pretty much absolutely no point in entertaining you with any further response.
you keep being 1337 you adorable little troll you x
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Yeah i know itâs scarry but you donât seem to have a home at all so i can hardly come to you, can i?
As mentioned in the edit above i did look deeper into your killboard so you have me convinced you are a genuine noob. I have understanding for that so why donât you pick a system somewhere in lowsec and i meet you there for a good fight?
I post to discuss the thread and the fact there is zero traffic post blackout.
You post to derail any discourse by throwing insults and issuing threats to new players.
Either grow up and actually try and respond to any actual point I have made without simply inferring I am lying (and therefor dotlan is also lying) or dont respond you are a tiresome troll intent on derailing any point thats made he doesnt agree with.
if you dont have anything constructive to add dont add anything !
(or continue to embarrass yourself by issuing threats while also pointing out I am a noob it makes no difference to me)
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Dude calm down
Maybe you did see less ganking partys move around some empty pipe, iâll admit i wouldnât notice.
Basides that login numbers went up since BO ended and thats that.
Really looking at your killboard explained so much for me, your frustration makes much more sense to me now and i also see a new guy who is trying to git gud, wich is something this comunity needs.
I honestly think youâre not in the right corp to thrive right now.
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Well first thanks for my first actual response from you that wasnt just a dig or insult it is appreciated.
I like my corp ye they are noobs but we learn together and i play this game for a laugh not to be elite, and I was not just talking about ganking parties when i talked about traffic numbers it wasnt just ganking parties taking advantage of the blackout I used it to explo through null too and I was occasionally ratting up there during blackout as were a lot of others I know who wouldnt normally as with local up its an almost guaranteed way to die.
traffic in and out of null is non existent now the only movement now is of those who reside there, it is back to being stagnant a no go zone for a lot of player do you think it staying this way is good for the game ? do you honestly think a zone that is supposed to be dangerous should have easily manageable intel of all movement through the use of station docked alts ? it just seems like a bit of a sorry state in my opinion.
No, it pretty well sucked the life out of large chunks of null. This past week has had more people online and active than the last 2-3 weeks. What youâre seeing is that now, you can see people avoiding you, rather than not seeing systems being completely empty.
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I just think the local makes it too easy both to avoid people and be avoided it takes out the challenge even for me running about exploring,
overall numbers may be up but when a good percentage of those numbers are just people with multiple mining/rating alts that do nothing but generate semi afk isk fountains while sitting in back end systems doing nothing else are they really adding any real life to null ?
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You know, a number of us have gone back and actually looked for early descriptions of nullsec. Itâs describedâfrom the very start, right up through to this monthâas âlawlessâ space, but thereâs nothing about it being designed to be âunsafeâ. Null is what the residents of null make it. Some people (and I know this will seem shocking) donât like having strangers wandering into their homes at all hours of the night, raiding their fridge, eating their chips, and drinking all their booze. They like âhomeâ to be someplace where they feel reasonably safe.
Yes. And after the experiment of the Blackout, Iâll even go so far as to say âprovably yesâ. People like having their friends around. CCPâs own numbers, shown at multiple Fanfests, EVEsterdams, and EVE Vegases, show that the biggest factor in retention right now is other people. Thatâs what keeps players in the game: their friends. So yes, having people just being around adds real life to null, because without them, more people leave.
Edit to add: and just for the record, having someone who lives in j-space talking about what areas were âsupposed to beâ is kinda hilarious, since wormholes were supposed to be places nobody lived in.
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absolutely false.
Put scanning probes on your d-scan and you will know if the site is being scanned.
People verry rarely scan sites ahead of time to use them as bait, pretty much only when itâs really deep within their sov so everything in between regions is extremely safe and will pay for your ship many times over before you manage to die.
Also bubbles are not nearly as dangerous as you think, especially for explorers.
Donât go directly to gates, d-scan them first and if you jump into a bubble use cloak + mwd to either escape or get back to gate.
Likeing your corpmates is fair enough - thats what this game really is all about - but if they donât teach you stuff like that its easy to see why you get frustrated.
Getting to K-6K16 to fight me is really nothing impossible. I soloed a gang of Brutixes yesterday one jump over - they managed to get there and so can you.
Im not saying you should abandon your friends but this game is complicated and you should seek mentorship for example by joining an alliance or finding some veterans who are willing to join up and help you guys out.
i know all about those little tips but sometimes even doing all you can isnt enough even getting to a decent ratting system can be a pain as when you are being flagged on intel channels the likelyhood of being bubbled and jumped on a gate by goes up a lot and its not like they even need a bubble set up a couple sabres with probes would do.
local does make null just a no go zone for the less confident players (its not going to stop me from wandering) but it makes it less challenging to those guarding home turf and more challenging to anyone who doesnt have covert ops cloaking ability.
krabs gonna krab
It requires skill to move around but i donât percieve any of those things as an issue and iâve bee small gang FC for most of my EVE life.
It needs a large bubble camp with lots of insta locks and webs to really crush a gang and those can be avoided if your scouts are not incompetent.
A small gang allways has the advantage of moving faster and (hopefully) people actually using their brains while doing stuff.
Content during BO was garbage exactly because there was no challange left in killing stuff for free.
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