Im glad after months of arguing on the forums they are taking it seriously. Maybe this game will see some benefit.
CCP Falconâs comments were particularly telling. What I heard was basically, âHTFUââŚ
Actually you sum up WH space well. You donât often get to mine etc⌠without interruption and when you do you run out quickly. In yours and the WHs around you. As to the WH space vs the Null space specifically it does not matter as Null space always caters to more people with less risk.
As to spamming scan. That is just the life if you want that level of payout.
So this is summed up best by saying HTFU or find somewhere more your risk level, like lo-sec or hi-sec.
No, Thats just bad design.
The directional scan needs to be removed from eve, and they need to shift covert ops into a role where it can scan significantly faster then any other ship, so it can be used to probe people very quickly (with in 30-60 seconds of entering the system/wh)
Iâd even advocate for cloaked probes with covert-ops, alone with 50% Reduction to scan duration + its normal strength / relic bonusâs.
Shadow Fighters. Theyâre factional fighter-bombers and the only source for the BPC is loot drop froma low security (not null!) space incursion site.
Each fighter is worth billions.
Why in low security space only? Because low security systems werenât supposed to advantage one side any more than another like home territory advantage does in 0.0
Citadels changed that, now the spam is everywhere.
So in another words making things easier and safer.
We have seen where that path lead and frankly I am happier to have risk closer to reward.
Risk should be applied based on the activity you are doing, no the location you are doing the activity in. To be clear about this, level 10 complexâs should be an option in high or low sec, and should not offer more or less danger the null out side of pvp.
I say out side of pvp as because you can get suicide ganked in high (until ccp gets off allowing that) or ganked in the plex in null, so in that capacity there should really be no difference.
The issue is that people want to apply pve-specific dangers to space, and this should not be the way the game is structured.
People should go to wormhole or null or low sec or what ever because of what those areaâs of the game itself has to offer. High sec being the one offering more market access, but less larger scale pvp for example.
Thatâs so true, d-scan is free intel without even needing to fit a module.
Do thousands of these drop a month or are you using a rareish item to compare against the isk/hour that people get out of null?
The answer to this is Yes to some things, and no to others. changes should not be made to the game because you or some other âone shot the noobâ generational bloomer should want that. IT should be made because that is better for the over-all population (and most importantly of that the ones that left), not those who think like you do (just because you belong to this camp or that).
Ambiguous. define what you mean specifically and we can talk about it.
Well see arenât you lucky. You still get free intel now that local is no longer in null.
You should rejoice and be happy.
It might be interesting to shift it to a module that causes people to pop up on the screen, like other objects do (like a station) then bind the âwarp toâ mechanic of it to probes, and limit the module to covert-ops ships.
Nah. Whats to talk about. CCP are finally starting to make the changes that Null have said for 15 years would destroy EvE and Eve is doing just fine.
I am happy on the path we now travel.
Active vs. passive sonar, with passive limited to covert ops. Thatâd be very interesting.
Conjecture; and its border-line goon propaganda.
More pvp is what null needs.
We have afk super capitals, that need to be popped. Goons would hate this change because they cant bot in their corner of the universe anymore with out being bugged. (let alone the other entities).
What ccp needs to do is stop listening to people like you trying to advocate to make this game impossible for anyone above your âspecificâ progression level of playing.
If we make it hard for them, why dont we just make it hard for you?
The entire system just needs to be gutted to be honest. The probing system is far superior in its design then direction scan ever was.
Allowing covert-ops to scan at 1-2 second scan cycles on their probes would allow covert ops to take a forward âkillâ scouting position. This means while interceptors would potentially be used to find hostile caps, covert ops would be used to find potential kill targets. This makes both viable options for pvp scouting and helps diversify covert-ops identity.
from there we just need to distinguish HICâs from Dicâs and we will be in a better place.
Yeah that would work. Another amazing idea. Have you considered trying for the CSM. After all CCP would do wonderfully ignoring you, along with the other CSM members.
Strange, Yet just a few months ago i sat on these forums advocating for this change in the thread we are posting in (black out in null) and putting up very significant argumentation for its benefits.
Hey look, we have threads on the forums of people liking the change.
so much for ânot listeningâ.
And itâs been people in null whoâve been arguing for keeping it and saying weâre having a lot of fun like this. Imagine that! Itâs almost like different people can have different ideas!
Ah, I see, youâre one of those idiots.
I do not think this will have the result you want it to have. At the very least, I donât want to see a return to the Digital Ebola level of CI. But I suspect that thatâs what would happen. Vulnerability breeds paranoia. Paranoia gives rise to⌠over-reaction.
For the same reason theyâre starting to flee Provi: risk v reward. The large blocs minimize risk, simply through the protection of the herd.
I know what youâre trying to say, yes. And Iâm disagreeing, because I think youâre wrong. The whole âlimit the size of corps/alliancesâ thing is something thatâs been kicked around for years. And weâve had a number of plans for how to deal with it for years. Putting a hard mechanical limit on the size of a group wonât prohibit that group from working with others, and there are numerous ways to get around those limits, both through in-game tools like ACLs and standings, and out-of-game solutions.
You can âexplainâ how you get there all you like, but your conclusions are still wrong.
On the whole? None of the above.
You canât see local. So what? You have to use d-scan and be alert for someone landing on-grid. Again: so what? These are not things that make null intrinsically more like j-space. If youâre mining in HS, you still have to watch out for people landing on-grid. D-scan may not be as useful, but itâs still a good way to see a bunch of gank-destroyers coming. And this hasnât altered the basic nature of âlight cyno, get titansâ or âthere could be 500 guys waiting to come helpâ. So no, on the whole, this hasnât made null âmore likeâ any specific one of those other regions.
And the same change allowed supercarriers and titans to pass through gates. All gates. Every gate. Find me a gate into a C2 that a Nidhoggur can use.
Which is exactly what Hilmar said, much more publicly, at EVE Down Under. And the comments about the devaluing of ISK are literally self-evident to anyone who pays any attention to how money works.
And he didnât say âtitan weapons should require fuelâ. DDâs already require fuel. He said titans should require fuel. As in, just to fly 'em around. Operating/maintenance costs are a suggestion thatâs been made dozens of times over.
So, you know what else is particularly telling?
None of these guys are actually game developers for EVE Online. Falconâs a Community Manager. Hilmarâs the CEO. Goodfellaâs the Brand Manager. None of them are the actual guys (like Fozzie, Rise, etc) who actually do the work. The only one whose words mean anything when heâs talking about what he wants is Hilmar.
But yes, Falcon wants Ultimate GrimDark. This is not news for anyone whoâs listened to Falcon⌠ever.
Only because people like teh shiny. Functionally, Shadowsâ big advantage is the emergency DD button that destroys them⌠which nobodyâs gonna bother using unless theyâre already about to lose their supercarrier and have no other choice.
And the people who have the money for Shadows are generally too smart to get into those situations.
Drop rate depends on how quickly people farm the Incursion. Figure maybe 1 flight every week or so. Though Iâm pretty sure Shadow BPCs drop in null, too. Itâs only the Revenant itself thatâs lowsec-only. Iâd have to check w/our incursion SIG.
You quote me and write
And then continue to quote me. I think that sums up the value of your opinions.