Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread - Part Deux!

Yes I have been a hi-sec bear. I have also been a null pvper, a null carebear, a losec pvper a losec bear and I spent most of my time in a wormhole where you are not really a pvper or a bear. You are just a Worm Holer. Which is why I laugh so much when null people talk about Null without local being WH space.

Not even close.

That is your opinion after 15 years of the same thing over and over I am not willing to give a number other than to say most of the against were actually null alliance members a lot of who were actually rostered to be on the forums at the time.

Actually It is about risk vs reward for me and for too long, well most of the life of the game null has been too much reward for too little risk and it has cost the game massive numbers of players. It needed to change and now it has.

That’s not really an opinion, lol, it’s based on the fact that any forum post you search about no local dating back has never had any significant following, saying it’s been posted multiple times doesn’t really validate that it was a “huge” response. I mean you’re welcome to prove me wrong by supplying some examples…

As for “it needed to change” I don’t think anyone hasn’t argued that the game is stagnating, whether this will actually promote meaningful change eh… I think you obviously have some bias for the changes, despite the fact it’s far too early to really see what the effect (being either good or bad) the blackout has caused…lol

Yes I do have bias for the changes. It is called fairness. It is about time nulls risk was closer to its reward.

As to what effect the blackout has called we can only go buy the fact CCP is a business and the figures they release and they say it is a good thing.

I mean like I said I’m all about balancing the game, but it’s pretty fair to also point out that so far it’s pretty clear it hasn’t balanced the risk vs reward, but tipped it rather heavily in one direction towards the hunters (both in my personal experience and that of others). Also to that point I think it’s fair to point out that CCP has made it clear they’re not looking for balance, hence the “rain of chaos”

As for CCP’s numbers I wouldn’t be so quick to trust they’re giving the whole picture, especially when they go on about saying they’re bringing in 16k new subs a week but they’re not staying past the week, so they also have an agenda and it’s to their benefit to say everything is going great as that increases confidence, even if it’s not the case…

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Not at all. It just means that to mine etc… you need an armed escort. Which is the risk almost equaling the reward. This is like trying to explain to a billionaire why an increase in the price of milk effects people. The old broken risk vs reward has now been around so many years you cannot see that it is now more balanced.

Yes they called it “rain of chaos” as that is how a lot of eve will take a balancing. So many people are so entitled that having their golden milk bottle removed will seem like the end of the world. And look at this thread for proof.

So again let me preface this with not a person attack, but what has your experience been so far with protecting mining fleets post blackout?

As for the rain of chaos being a balancing act, like I said I think you give CCP too much credit, especially since the Dev’s don’t operate in Null. I would say it would be more accurate to say they don’t really know how to balance the game and at this point and are so desperate they’re trying anything to “shake things up” in an attempt to see any kind of meaningful change/preservation of the game

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You mean besides having spent years living in wormholes, under a lot worse conditions?

Devs don’t operate in Null? Where do you think most of them came from and what caused the problem in the first place, besides the CSM?

So Null isn’t or is like WH space? Because you said it isn’t, and then you use it to justify your experience… As for being more “dangerous” I think that’s quite subjective at this point, since outside of asset safety I would say it’s actually much safer… But I’m sure you’re totally used to cyno drops/limitless number of people entering or exiting your hole, ect, ect, ect…

And it’s not really any secret most of the Dev’s spend their time in High/Low FW…lol

As for things being a problem because the Devs are there, I think the only real problem I remember from Devs in Null was the BOB blueprint issue in 06… Which demonstrated CCP’s incompetence with respect to Null not their support, lol.

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Amazing you missed the words “under a lot worse conditions?”

Yeah being able to cyno drop re-enforcements must make it so much harder.

WH safer…HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Well you just proved you never lived in WH space.

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As I said, prior to the blackout you might have had a point, but at this stage of the game, yes, I would say overall it’s pretty fair to say WH’s are safer… as I said with the forum posts about no local being called for for a while, you’re welcome to provide some examples that prove otherwise :wink:

your comment shows you’ve likely had little experience with dropping or counter dropping (not entirely surprising since your experience has been largely in WH’s)…

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His comment seems closer to. “I live in many different sectors in eve, and I’ve seen the pluses and minuses of each, here my opinion.”

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I mean saying “yeah being able to cyno drop re-enforcements must make it so much harder” shows clearly you don’t understand how that works…lol. Yes if you setup a bait ship, sure its easy to counterdrop, did it just tonight, but otherwise no, and in most cases if you’re not careful you can be quickly out escalated, especially if you’re near NPC null space…

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Claims to have done something, then says “but it not that easy.”

WH and null sec are two different enviroments, where the mechanics have different effects on one another, some of the mechanics in wormhole will never be seen in null, and vis-versa. They are not easily comparable. I would argue at the moment, wormhole and null of are near equal risk with different ways of controlling the space. However, if null kept local, I would argue that null is far safer than wormhole.

I mean I’m not really going to argue this point with you Maria, since we already established earlier you don’t really understand the things you want to have an opinion about. Not to be rude, but let the adults talk and when you go out and experience it yourself we’ll be here to pick up the conversation :wink:

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lol, your argument was someone that use to live in nullsec but has moved out and rested with just making deliveries vs someone that still actively lives there(That of course assuming you actually live there, and not just roam down there.)

Once again, you are attempting to devalue an opinion that you don’t like.

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Post/Pre blackout not the same thing. If there was still local you’d have a valid argument, but since the change you haven’t engaged in the content. Things have changed, about as simple as I can put it.

You right, and it only been a thing for what? Going on three weeks now? Not exactly a large span of time between the two, lol.

“assuming you actually live there…”

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