Why are we having a short duration log-in event intersect with a holiday where people are more likely to not be home? The U.S. represents the largest number of people playing EVE. This would not be an issue if there was an alternative way to access the claim window without the full client or Omegas automatically claimed stuff, but that isn’t the case.
When is the winter event starting? I assume it’s the 7th of December to the 9th and January (basing guess off last year’s Dec/Sun to Jan/Fri schedule). Can’t this event get an extra week extension to the 8th? And/or you should shuffle the superfluous SKINR junk items 99% of ppl don’t care about to the end as padding.
The US represents the single largest group of players by nationality, but it’s a plurality, which is not the same as a majority – the vast majority of Eve players aren’t from the US.
CCP caters to the wider global audience, not around the holiday arrangements of a single country.
Oh, look someone on Eve forums crying about someone bringing up a legitimate issue. You have literally nothing of value to add. Why do you even comment?
And it’s not free stuff if you can’t claim it. And nothing related to SKINR is free.
I wouldn’t say the “vast majority” aren’t from the US. Last I saw the US was around 40% of players. Although that is brought up to highlight the amount of the player base possibly effected. I wouldn’t care if it was a New Zealand holiday where people tended to leave town. All those garbage SKINR “gifts” need to be thrown into the last days to pad it regardless. Padding the tail end of log-in events caters to everyone, not just the US. No paying customer should be left out because of garbage loot that has the market value of a typical highsec relic node and whose use requires more real money on top of a subscription.
Nope, your figure is off by a not-inconsiderable amount – it’s 60% higher than reality (standard relative error), or 37.5% off when you measure the actual 25% against your claimed figure of 40%. The US accounts for 25% of the player-base as of Fanfest 2023: EVE Online | EVE Fanfest 2023 – 20 Years of Capsuleer Data @ 17m40s.
Even if your figure of 40% of players being from the US was true (it’s not, but for the sake of argument let’s assume that it is) that would mean 60% of players were not – which is the vast majority because 60% is greater than 40%. The term ‘vast majority’ simply means a very large part of the whole, and 60% certainly fits that description.
TL;DR: The US is still a plurality, not a majority – greater than 50% is required for a majority.
Excluding Russia, the collective player population in Europe is almost certainly similar to, and very likely greater than, the US total, which is why the server consistently hits its highest peak during the European time zones. CCP makes decisions for the global player majority, not to accommodate a holiday calendar that only affects a quarter of the player-base.
Regarding your secondary point: While the suggestion to pad the tail end of the event with lower-value SKINR items is a valid quality-of-life suggestion that benefits everybody, your complaint of being greatly inconvenienced by missing out on “garbage loot” seems contradictory.
Why would an Iceland-based company care about a holiday in another country? Even if your country would be the biggest, you’re representing only a fraction of the total EVE players.
Most game companies I know have done the opposite and do events during Christmas and other holidays.
Most people are free at those dates, many people will be playing if their social events are at another moment that day or another day entirely.
I still fondly remember some holiday events I spent as kid in online games when we were celebrating Christmas or New Year’s while the ‘boring adults’ sat chatting around another table for some hours.
Holidays are a perfect occasion for game events.
And if you’ve got social obligations, great! Don’t let FOMO stop you and have fun instead!
@Shion_Ishii It only takes a few minutes to log on, collect the rewards and then log off…
Actually the OP is correct…
Your example is flawed and incorrect due to the fact that you’re combining the amount of all other country’s and then comparing that to USA in an attempt to disprove the OP’s statement…
Even though the USA represents 25% of the playerbase, that CCP graph clearly shows that out of all the country’s in the world, USA has had the majority of Eve Online accounts from 2003 to 2023… More than twice the amount of any other country in the world…
So when looking at the percentage amounts for each country, USA clearly has the majority… And just to be clear, a majority doesn’t necessarily mean an amount more than 50%… In this case the largest number or percentage is the majority which happens to be the USA…
In claiming that the USA is important enough that a game based in another country should hold on their events during USA holidays just because USA has the largest amount of players of any country?
It’s still only a fraction of the playerbase. And even if it had more than half, which it doesn’t, this still is no reason to listen to the whims of one person from the USA who cannot handle FOMO.
I do not see how the OP is correct in their request in any possible way.
Your example is flawed and incorrect due to the fact that you’re combining the amount of all other country’s and then comparing that to USA in an attempt to disprove the OP’s statement…
No, they’re not. The approach you’re calling flawed is the correct one. Words like majority and plurality already have definitions that don’t bend just because you’d prefer a different outcome.
Even though the USA represents 25% of the playerbase, that CCP graph clearly shows that out of all the country’s in the world, USA has had the majority of Eve Online accounts from 2003 to 2023… More than twice the amount of any other country in the world…
So when looking at the percentage amounts for each country, USA clearly has the majority… And just to be clear, a majority doesn’t necessarily mean an amount more than 50%… In this case the largest number or percentage is the majority which happens to be the USA…
Wrong – which seems to be the default for those insisting on looking through a red, white and blue lens.
A majority is always more than fifty per cent. What the US has is the largest individual slice of the pie, which is still less than half of the overall pie. That’s called a plurality.
And for anyone considering clutching at the term relative majority to wriggle out of this, they should know it’s just archaic electoral jargon for plurality, nothing more. It only shows up when one candidate has more votes than any other individual, but still less than 50% of the total – which makes any planned use of it in this context completely irrelevant. The same applies to the non-standard financial use of majority – it’s irrelevant here and won’t save their poorly thought out argument.
TL;DR: 25% of a cake shared with tens of others is not a majority, no matter how you slice it. The other 75% of the cake, divided among the rest, represents the de facto majority. Yes, it’s maths. Yes, it matters. No, ego doesn’t get a veto.
I feel like we’re staring at an unimportant detail.
Even if the USA would have a majority of the players, CCP still has no reason to stop doing events during a USA holiday because one person from the USA cannot handle FOMO.
Especially as already another person from the same country expressed an opposite view on the matter also claiming from experience that this is a no issue for most in the US:
No that’s not what I was talking about, please stop trying to twist what I was saying into something else… Out of all the Nations listed in that Dev Presentation, USA has the largest amount of Eve Online players…
Doesn’t matter if it’s only 25% of the playerbase, USA has the largest percentage of players which makes them the majority… That’s what I was referring to when I said the OP was correct…
lol, dream on bud… Keep pushing those semantics if it makes you feel better about yourself…
And by the way, your racist remark about the ole Red, White & Blue is just comical…
lol, sorry that you’re so bent on trying to prove USA doesn’t have the majority of players… The fact that you actually believe that combining all the other Nations player percentages together and then comparing that amount to the USA player percentage is proof that you’re correct… OMG
I really DGAF what you think your ‘Mathematicians’ would say…
Does it matter how many US players play the game for their request?
Would their request become less unreasonable if US players made 40% instead of 5% of the players?
Why would they speak for all US players?
Why would a game have to skip events during holidays?
I think the OP makes an unreasonable request either way, so all this math talk is irrelevant. A red herring.
When you say ‘the OP is correct’ it implies the OP is not largely saying nonsense, which I think they do.
This means if the OP were to say one truth amongst a load of nonsense I would not say that ‘the OP is correct’, like you did. Even if you only mean they are correct about one particular thing your statement sounds like you also agree with them that EVE should not have events during USA holidays. Do you?
I’m glad you eventually mentioned you were only referring to the maths in a later post:
All that said, OP is mathematically still wrong.
25% is not a majority, it’s less than half the entire population.
The 75% non-US players are ‘the better part’ or ‘the majority’.
But it’s all irrelevant.
What matters is that the OP has issues with FOMO and feels self-important because their country is big.
Yes, I would also love to be in three different places at once but it is impossible so I have to choose and work my schedule.
Sometimes we can’t have both the gravy and the meat — but we can still make one hell of a meal out of what we do have.
Good lord, I know you’re not stupid so you’re just purposely being obstinate.. Considering the fact that CCP didn’t group all the world Nations against the USA… That presentation was a percentage of player’s per each Nation over a 20 year period… The one Nation with the largest percentage of players, the highest amount of players, the majority of players, etc, etc, was the USA…
That’s it… I really don’t care that you guys are triggered by that fact… However this continued statement of adding all the other Nations together against one in an attempt to prove they’re not the majority is nothing more than a sad portrayal of racism..
