Crooks!
You don’t understand reality if you think that my position is in any way extreme.
The fact remains that already having one type of Cov-19 strain and recovered doesn’t guarantee immunity to another strain . In fact, you can have 2 or more different strains at the same time causing your illness. If you already have had Cov-19 and “recovered”, then you have at least partial immunity. However, with the continued mutation and increased lethality we are starting to see, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to get vaccinated as soon as your area allows (supply issue) it. The vaccination tends to protect over a wide number of variations to varying degrees.
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Citation needed.
And good luck with that as all these vaccines are new.
And mutations are just going to keep coming. But there is no solid guarantee the new mutations will be as deadly, although I tend to think they will.
And there is also no guarantee the vaccination you are getting is not for the same strain you already had.
Good luck with your vaccinations peeps. What I am reading is amounts of faith usually reserved for religion.
Do not confuse your own inability to comprehend technical discussion of vaccines with faith. But I shouldn’t be surprised that the bitcoin fanboy is also an antivaxer. What’s next, flat earth theory and 9/11 conspiracies?
I am neither. Take your unfounded accusastions and shove them up your rectum. My positions are too nuanced for you to follow, not that you even want to. You just want to fight. I don’t. FO
Your posts here and in the bitcoin thread prove otherwise.
I have already reported you for harassing me, using abusive language towards me, and threatening to abuse the moderation system. Please cease behaving badly and stick to the topic of your errors about vaccines and bitcoin.
Also, one would think that a ban evasion alt would be much more reluctant to attract moderator attention to their existence.
As a medical professional, I am not going to waste my time sitting down and going through a step by step explanation of why a vaccine is superior to just having and recovering from the Covid-19 virus. After over a year of explaining to my patients, I have learned that there are two types of patients: those that are willing to learn and adopt and those who refuse to listen to anything outside their extremely small group of friends and trusted "news " sources.
Use the CDC site, check large medical centers’ websites, just google the issue; the facts are already out there.
You clearly do not understand how the mRNA vaccines work, since you conflated current flu vaccine technology/results with the newer mRNA vaccines.
Guess you fall into the second category of people.
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One of the symptoms is death. Eve players will rationalize that like they rationalize shitfits.
However ,
she is not a member of,
or, a part of ,
the Canadian Society of Obstetrics and Gynecology (SOGC) .
Not only can I not suss out what you just said, but I have a feeling you are also accusing me of something I did not do.
You should come practice in Japan. Doctors just give whatever, including trial medicines without informed consent. I once asked what two types of pills were, and, I kid you not, was told “These are the blue pills and these are the pink pills.” At my house they became the “garbage can pills”.
This was for whiplash that I did not have. But you know, anything to push some pills, sell some shots and take some X-rays. For some, being a doctor is a business first.
But anyway, glad to know you are too professional to explain.
Perhaps. But what I see reading comments here and elsewhere makes me think there are many groups, but the two main ones are those who have so much faith in science and medicine it extends to individual doctors and scientists and even corporate spokespeople on one hand, and those who are more cautious on the other. That said, I don’t think the Q anon types post where I read. In America they may be a group as large as the other two for all I know. I hear OF them, but almost never FROM them directly. That gives me pause.
Let me get this straight. You refuse to explain and now its my fault for not listening. Oooookay.
Well, this is awkward. You are not going to differentiate between vaccine types at all on that? After accusing me of conflating? IDK, maybe you will stick by that and maybe with good reason. Just seems a bit odd to me to throw them all together like that.
Yep. That’s how it works. The information is out there, people have tried to get you to understand it, and at some point you just have to shrug and accept that the willfully ignorant will remain willfully ignorant and you should spend your effort elsewhere. You don’t need a personal explanation from a specific person, you need to do some basic research.
You are not going to differentiate between vaccine types at all on that?
Nope. All of the vaccines are better than getting and recovering from covid. I’m sorry that you don’t understand this, but your willful ignorance is not a problem for the rest of us.
Removed several off topic posts. Keep it on topic and civil, thank you.
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yes any of the vaccines, except for astra zeneca, are supposed to lessen the symptoms of covid if you were to catch it, not totally prevent it…
but from the CDC:
this protects you from getting sick with COVID-19.
It is an interesting difference between 1) not being sick and 2) having lessened symptoms. At what exact point is one sick? From the point a virus is actively invading cells and propagating? When symptoms show? When symptoms cause the individual noticeable problems?
Do we say a carrier is “infected” and/or “sick” even if they show no symptoms? Even if they are vaccinated even against the strain their body is sucessfully fighting?
This demonstrates a problem in medical communication and I alluded to it before; trying to compress information too much and creating absurdities in the process. And those aburdities go on to cause misunderstandings and mistrust in a separate category from more legitimate misunderstandings and mistrust.
Further to this, you excluded astra zeneca from the top statement. I am curious why you did that. I hope you will be allowed to answer unpreempted with guesses that will taint your response. Seems rather unlikely however.
I excluded astra seneca because of its clotting factor and right now is not available to the u.s.
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Key Things to Know About COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC.
Getting a COVID-19 vaccine will also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
it is possible a person could still get COVID-19 before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.
Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.
… Still some unknowns…
I’ll admit I don’t keep my eyes glued to what the cdc says. I listen to what my nurse clients tell me and I’ll look at cdc website if I need to have info confirmed.
I just been too busy dealing with dummies who won’t shake my hand when greeting them, but will for the following hour or so, have my hands all over their bodies and their hands.
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This is what gives me pause. Still a LOT of unknowns if you ask me, mixed in with profit-incentive, pride and faith based hyper-positivity. Those are I places I fear to mentally tread. I have seen far too many people ride those waves to amazing heights, then fall specactularly to utter ruin.
Then of course there is the data on the effectiveness of flu vaccines, which is bound to be relatable to these (covid 19) cold vaccines, but difficult to compare since we are so actively trying to prevent the spread of Covid-19, but flu prevention measures are generally “meh” at best.
So how do you measure the actual effectiveness of a vaccine when all stops have been pulled to prevent the spread? I am pretty sure what we have seen thus far has been laboratory data. And even when we get real life data its going to be skewed wildly.
And if its not very effective why take the risk? One thing that gets overlooked in some folk’s rush to label me an anti-vaxxer, is that health care professionals also refuse vaccines they deem unnecessary, due to risks all medicines have.
Surprisingly, I agree, many people don’t remember this gem:
Anthrax vaccine
Well pepperidge farms remembers, I got this during the gulf war in 2001 as a civilian contractor due to the nature of forced immunization, years and years later I can’t prove anything but I do check off a few of the boxes of symptoms related to these lawsuits, coincidence or side effects just seem to match up pretty damn well to my problems of today.
Should someone get the covid vaccine, as you say there are side effects to all medications, the only reason I did think it was a good idea for myself was covid is here to stay long term at the very least, forever maybe, but I am living with some aftereffects of strange cigarette burn looking skin condition that had a couple of them appearing on my skin about a month after getting over covid19, this is one odd bug, my wife gets migraines as a gift after covid19, but somehow again my brother doesn’t have any side effects.
Getting vaccinated is personal and something that should NOT be forced, which decision is right only time will tell.
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Ah,
he’s harassing the harasser who they refuse to convict by starting charges and cases against,
which is only part of the damage they cause to try to provoke into harassment which is less than 1% to 3% of the damage they cause,
to try to control the damage they seek to justify to cause by coercion and communication gap by seeking to justify to create the communication gap.
Let’s find out then,
what other damage those harassing with accusations of harassment are causing from their actions,
and seek to divert from the fact,
by trying to increase focus on their target,
by seeking to forfeit analysis of their actions,
so as to try to get away with false accusations while seeking to forfeit evidence of their attacks against their target,
which I already found them liable for trying to do to me,
and misrepresent to my family,
which family I have a duty from God to protect against such actions from their behaviors and intentions to divert in deceit.
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Well, you’re so lucky to use an electronic system to be able to detect it easier, because, otherwise, it would cost a lot more money to find out what they stole and what they are trying to steal.
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I’m supposed to have to wait 3 hours to edit but it let me put it.