Maderna vaccine

Got my vaccination on 3/18 and now 3/19 it is kicking my backside, chills, body aches, light sensitivity, slight temperature, fatigue, and nausea.

However my brother, no reaction, doesn’t have any symptoms, lucky him.

Is it worth it, I’d say yes, when I got covid all the symptoms lasted for 3 weeks including shortness of breath, I believe the symptoms are starting to subside.

1 Like

The brain fog can last a few months.

2 Likes

The first dose gave me a sore arm and a hangover headache for 24 hours. The second dose repeated those symptoms and added a 101.6 temp for 4-8 hours. 24 hours later, symptom free. All small potatoes to go through compared to having the virus, especially with the long haul damages still being determined. Thank gods for the mRNA technology breakthrough and development. Now if we can get the stubborn people to get inoculated so that the virus has a much smaller pool to mutate in.

2 Likes

People all respond differently to the vaccines because not all of the doses include the mind-control bots. Only about 10%.

2 Likes
  1. People don’t have all the same metabolism.
  2. People don’t all live in the same place with the same other people and conditions.
  3. People don’t all live in the same conditions.
  4. The Vaccine can vary from one batch to another.
  5. The Vaccine can vary from one sample to another.
  6. The Vaccine requires specific methods to be cared for to function.

In other words,
sick people with the vaccine will have a harder time to respond to it better,
but that also depends on what care they have after that.

That’s why it’s important to notify medical specialist,
like your doctor,
or nurse,
who can refer you to a doctor if need be,
when,
and if,
it happens.

Not the day after.

If you didn’t inform them when it happen,
and it’s the day after,
then,
inform them of the medical condition,
so that they can run a diagnosis test,
so that they can find a diagnostic.

Those symptoms are exactly why where I work, we tell everyone if you’ve been vaccinated within 7 days of your massage appointment, you are unable to get massage.

Out of abundance for caution due to symptoms, and some are not good to have while getting a massage.

I have heard conflicting information for just about anything related to Covid and the vaccines.

But I find it a bit strange to be in a hurry to get a vaccination AFTER having already had Covid once.

Yes, getting Covid once is not a 100 percent guarantee of 100 percent immunity, but I would rather risk that condition than also take a glorified experimental mRNA vaccine that basically mimics having the disease to trick your body into making anti-bodies…anti-bodies you should already have…that were from the ACTUAL disease…and not a phoney.

There might be some slight difference in anti-bodies created that might be beneficial to those with comprised immunity. But even that I see as something of an outlier.

1 Like

People who don’t have the virus but have the vaccine can still wear a mask to prevent contamination level to reach too high,
too fast,
and mutate more than we can handle better,
so as to reduce the pandemic spread.

Once that is achieved, the pandemic will also be over, with only smaller epidemics left worldwide, and less risk of worldwide contamination and spreading of the virus getting out of control more than we can control it.

That control is how we can heal people.

Some places had too many hospitals, others, not enough.

Those places with more facilities should have them sent out of their countries where needed and organize more and better global cooperation to fix it better and faster, or quickly and well.


The effect of wearing a mask when you have the virus isn’t going to prevent you from passing the virus to others.

I don’t know how can the UVC Light masks works to prevent exhale to contaminate others, however,
they are probably designed to prevent inhale problems.

I didn’t verify that yet, although I can verify that later.

One company which produces UV light products for hospital air filtration systems,
didn’t know about those (UVC) masks,
about which I was requesting a quote from them about,
after which they found what they were,
after which they informed me that they found what they were.

An exhale system would work to capture exhale gases,
however those systems are more costly and more complex to operate and use.

I know I could get one of those but I think they are around $500 to $1,000 or more, not unlike (scuba) diving gear or equipment.

I hear conflicting information everyday,
from courts trying to make money extorting real estate,
in front of organized crimes investigations from the army since the 1970s,
to other false indictment charges against logic,
and other mentally unfit for duty professional getting covered by insurance.

Possibly this vaccines does cover the symptoms more, than give you antibodies.

In other words, once you had it, you can infect others with it.


So yes, while antibodies work better against other viruses,
the danger with this one is that it attacks the immune system differently,
and,
instead,
does create those antibodies to react too strongly for the metabolism level of your system,
which does have the actual effect to cause you to cause your self
the internal organ problems,
caused from those antibodies you mentioned,
which antibodies you mentioned work like that for other viruses,
but which antibodies you mentioned work differently with this virus.

In fact, this virus mutates faster than other virus as well,
and also becomes more potent.

So, while the symptoms and virus still exist,
this particular vaccine is designed to deal with the symptoms rather than to make antibodies, since those antibodies,
which work with other vaccines,
don’t work the same way with this vaccine,
because this virus for which the vaccine is designed doesn’t work the same way,
which is why we have a pandemic and everyone is wondering what is going on.


Additionally,
when the long term internal organ damage is caused from the antibodies reaction which is too strong in some people,
the virus can mutate.

For those which system’s antibodies didn’t kill them from reacting too strongly, or, their metabolic system is better organized to receive and accept the metabolic response of those antibodies’ action,
they may have long term effect, such as heart problems for life,
lungs problems for life, and so on.

For instance,
I have a lungs problem since I am 6 years old, when my 2 feet froze.
I am now 53 and 54 next month which is 47 years ago.

When my feet were unfrozen, which I could have lost to frostbite,
it caused internal problems to my lungs, after which they never recovered,
and I always had this subsequent Chronic Bronchitis problem.

The Bronchial area is the area of the lungs that is closest to the throat.

People that have Asthma have problems with the tip of the lungs.

Some have both Bronchitis and Asthma.
Many have Chronic Asthma.

Anytime I am in a cold area, my lungs secrete more than normal,
and create more fog,
which create more problems,
and, just causes more leaks.

My metabolic system always reacted stronger than others to those conditions due to what happened to me when I was younger.


Also, when the courts try to justify the law by taking people out of context and put the people who are taken out of context in prison,
it’s not a surprise that medical problems will occur globally and pandemic will occur, because of the same falsification of reports.

The courts can’t take facts or people out of context when deciding,
neither can doctors.

That, when it happens, leads to false diagnosis, misdiagnosis,
which is not accurate, and, potential malpractice.

If the courts protect malpractice,
they too are as liable as the medical professional doing those acts.

Medicine is not the art of looking for sympathy from judges and legal systems who misrepresent scientific facts to suit their money.
Science doesn’t work with money.
Science works with facts.

No amount of money can fix that.
That is only science fictions and a falsification of the truth and of the reports of the truth.


I don’t have the right to lie to my wife or child when we have one.

Neither can I let authorities misrepresent me to them,
or, let them get away with trying to misrepresent the facts to them.

When I am witness,
I can move to get organized with better security who don’t associate with those abusers of the reality,
who seek to cause people to be out of contact with reality,
and then hope to forfeit the evidence of how they tried to do so.


Some people are bound to secrecy for life,
however, not for bad reasons.

Those same people also can’t take good things out of context by making those good things be turned into bad things just because it is better for their security.

Some things just can’t work logically.

Someone who turns good things into bad things to cover up other bad things to try to cause them to be bound to secrecy when they don’t have the authority to do that for good reasons,
is working against public interest,
and seeking to create risk to this public interest which doesn’t exist,
by taking damage against that good to be misinterpreted as if it was bad,
by this constant propaganda seeking to hide coercion.


Additionally,
some people get COVID-19 more than once due to variants.

Those variants are not the same,
and it might not be because of antibodies that the virus stops multiplying in host systems…

Additionally,
the vaccine doesn’t stop people from contracting the virus, nor variant,
not the potential for the virus to mutate worse.

Interesting, so the vaccine will lessen the symptoms if I’m reading this right, which is what I read but didn’t understand because of the way they worded it.

yes any of the vaccines, except for astra zeneca, are supposed to lessen the symptoms of covid if you were to catch it, not totally prevent it…

Ah so this maybe explains some people’s posting here on the forums.

2 Likes

So the CDC is pulling a fast one here?

Will a COVID-19 vaccination protect me from getting sick with COVID-19?

illustration of a person

Yes. COVID-19 vaccination works by teaching your immune system how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19, and this protects you from getting sick with COVID-19.

Yes, this vaccine is designed to deal with the symptoms,
for now, due to the Rush Order.

In other words, it’s the best they could do so fast, so quick, with such a greater threat than before, despite all the added security measures, health measures, and other measures taken to prevent the damage and the spread and so on.

In other words, if they didn’t take those precaution, it would be worse now, and it would already be worse now, and it would already have been worse now too…

They can potentially use a smaller dose of the reactors which causes the virus to multiply and make the antibody reaction to be adverse to the internal organs,
so as to prevent a lack of proper antibodies reaction to occur,
which would trigger reactions and responses which are too strong for the scope of the metabolism to adjust quick enough in time,
due to the level of changes that occurs…

From what I can understand, from the information that I read,
it is possible for the vaccines to block receptor so that the reactions to the virus are diminished,
in other words, which antibodies are created from it,
will not cause internal organ problem as bad as without the vaccine…

Now, of course, this doesn’t respond the same with all blood types, and all human metabolic states,
such as in children, who are expected to live longer,
and also, perhaps, woman who wish to have a child in the next 2 years.

So, if you child is to be conceived in 2 years and 1 month,
then, you should be ok.

Additionally,

The problem with the AstraZeneca vaccine is that,
many people experience blood clot with it,
more than other vaccines.

It may be due to blood type,
or other metabolic causes,
perhaps the vaccine handling,
perhaps an error in production,
which, wouldn’t take much,
to only be the worse…

One had to be worse, and it currently is this one.

Others may get worse later, but nothing is perfect,
or, at least, if better than perfect,
perhaps, not as good as possible…

Or, the potential for improvement somehow still exsit.

So, yes, also finding the cause of the blood clot,
and, also finding the conditions in which those blood clot occur,
is a clinical importance for that vaccine team,
as they do collect medical data,
empirical data and related data to it,
so that yes,
they can improve it,
compared to other vaccines which may not have that data collection,
but who may share it later.

I am sure those companies shared the science,
since,
science is not copyright protected,
nor protected by Trade Marks,
nor protected by patents.

However, since science does function in and of itself,
it doesn’t mean for some unscrupulous courts and police to go after it and seek money for damage that the science didn’t cause,
and, which, the police and courts themselves try to use to cover up damage they intend to justify to cause themselves,
to the society they are supposed to protect
and try to get away with it,
instead of actually arresting the real criminals…

In other words,
it’s not possible for them to verify the level of contact with reality they need to be in to actually find and get the criminals if they don’t have both a medical and legal type of degree for practice.

That is why science is important,
as science works with both police science and medical science too.

Now, some people probably don’t have those blood clot with the AstraZeneca vaccines, and it’s all fine for them,
however, not every one reacted the same,
and they found out about it, and they are working on it.

In fact, I’m sure they are still analyzing it,
by conducting scientific research in laboratories for it.


2. - 38 minutes later, at 15:17 Sat Mar 20, 2021:
Also,
maybe,
if they worded it differently,
you could understand what they were mentioning in the first wording,
which you had before,
which you couldn’t understand,
because of the way they worded it,
either because of the superstition about that wording,
or, perhaps,
due to hypnosis,
which either makes you unable to understand the wording without verifying,
which, if you need verifying,
since,
they are the only medical authority to really be able to rely on,
unless of course you managed to find another medical authority from the army or, maybe, law, or, both,
you may very well need to verify about their wording with them,
many times,
and,
if they then tried to hold you liable for something related to their power to confirm,
by not giving you proper confirmation and giving you ways to verify it properly,
you would then be able to inform the other authorities you found about it,
because it was not only their job to allow you to verify,
but that you also needed the verification for certainty ratio level for analysis, and so on,
or;
perhaps,
the wording had to be changed so that,
even if not conveying the message,
the wording difference would trigger the understanding on your preconditioned hypnotized brain to allow you to understand the previous wording,
as if acting like a form of verification,
to be able to get more exact about it,
and get better understanding,
unless of course someone attacks your understanding of the wording after the fact,
in which case it would then possibly make the understanding to be lost after the fact,
which,
while you would have been understanding it enough to put it in practice,
the intended loss of the understanding would have had to have been analyzed after the fact of those attacks against the understanding,
whether by negative suggestions against your understanding,
or, that of others perhaps,
which would intent to justify to cause adversity against your loss of the understanding that you previously had.

Either ways,
computers are good at storing data too and detecting tampering which such levels of knowledge, understanding, and yes,
practice,
such as for putting understanding of knowledge into good practical use to have served all humanity.


3. - Inserted in after 5. below, at 15:51, as I couldn’t find it back again before I updated the other data first, before this one that is:

Is it safe for me to get a COVID-19 vaccine if I would like to have a baby one day?

illustration of person thinking about having a baby

Yes. If you are trying to become pregnant now or want to get pregnant in the future, you may receive a COVID-19 vaccine when one is available to you.

There is currently no evidence that COVID-19 vaccination causes any problems with pregnancy, including the development of the placenta. In addition, there is no evidence that fertility problems are a side effect of any vaccine, including COVID-19 vaccines.

Like all vaccines, scientists are studying COVID-19 vaccines carefully for side effects now and will continue to study them for many years.


4. - 1 hour later, at 15:29:

Vaccinate with caution

If you have a history of severe allergy or anaphylaxis to another vaccine (not the COVID-19 vaccine) or to an injectable therapy, the CDC advises talking to your health-care provider to assess your risk, and possibly delaying vaccination.

Don’t vaccinate

If you have a history of severe allergy or anaphylaxis to any component of the COVID-19 vaccine, you should not get vaccinated.

If you’re pregnant

Based on current knowledge, experts believe the vaccines are unlikely to pose a risk for people who are pregnant. If you’re pregnant, the CDC advises talking with your doctor to help decide whether to get vaccinated. While this conversation may be helpful, it is not required prior to vaccination.

Pregnant people are not usually allowed to participate in vaccine studies, and they were not included in Pfizer’s vaccine trials. However, about two dozen people who got the vaccine became pregnant while participating in the studies. None reported complications. Future studies are planned.

When making a decision, you and your doctor should consider the level of community transmission, your personal risk of contracting the virus, the risks of COVID-19 to you and the potential risks to the fetus, the efficacy of the vaccine, the side effects of the vaccine, and the lack of data about the vaccine during pregnancy.

If you have a fever following vaccination, you may be advised to take acetaminophen, as fever has been associated with adverse pregnancy outcomes. Acetaminophen may be recommended for other side effects, too.

If you’re trying to become pregnant

You’re advised to get vaccinated if you’re among the groups whom it’s considered safe. You don’t need to avoid pregnancy after getting vaccinated.


5. - At 15:38:

Vaccines You Need After 50

Check out this list of what to get and when

Influenza vaccine

Pneumococcal vaccine (pneumonia)

Who needs it: Healthy adults 65 years and older, or adults 19-64 with certain risk factors (smoking, or health problems, such as chronic lung or heart disease, leukemia, lymphoma or alcoholism).
I had 2 or so of those for free... At least one, which was good for around 5 years.

Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis) vaccine and/or the Td (tetanus, diphtheria) booster

Shingles (herpes zoster) vaccine

COVID-19 Vaccine

Hepatitis A vaccine

Hepatitis B vaccine

Do people who are pregnant, trying to get pregnant, or breastfeeding have safety concerns with the vaccine?

The Canadian Society of Obstetrics and Gynecology (SOGC), the National Advisory Committee on Immunization and public health experts in B.C. all advise that pregnant and breastfeeding women can be offered the vaccine. If you have questions, and you are pregnant, planning to become pregnant or are breastfeeding, speak to your health care provider about COVID-19 vaccines.

My sister is a Canadian Obstetrician for over 25 years. She is now 52 years old since last September, 2020 and made over $4 million from this work.


https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/national-advisory-committee-on-immunization-naci/recommendations-use-covid-19-vaccines.html#a7

The National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) is an External Advisory Body that provides the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) with independent, ongoing and timely medical, scientific, and public health advice in response to questions from PHAC relating to immunization.

For some specific populations who were either excluded from, or were represented by small numbers of participants in clinical trials, NACI recommends that a complete vaccine series with a currently authorized COVID-19 vaccine may be offered, if a risk assessment deems that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the potential risks for the individual (e.g., where the risk of severe outcomes of COVID-19 and/or risk of exposure to SARS-CoV-2 is high) or for the fetus/infant (in the case of pregnancy/breastfeeding) and if informed consent includes discussion about the insufficient evidence in these populations:

  • Immunosuppressed due to disease or treatment
  • Individuals with an autoimmune condition
  • Pregnant or breastfeeding
  • Adolescents 12 to 15 years of age (Only Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine may be offered)

These recommendations may change as more evidence on safety and/or efficacy/effectiveness in these populations becomes available.

if a risk assessment deems that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the potential risks for the individual (e.g., where the risk of severe outcomes of COVID-19 and/or risk of exposure to SARS-CoV-2 is high) or for the fetus/infant (in the case of pregnancy/breastfeeding) and if informed consent includes discussion about the insufficient evidence in these populations


If it is in the public interest that the benefits of vaccination for society or public interest outweigh the potential risks for the individual.

NACI continues to recommend the following elements to guide ethical decision-making, as outlined in NACI’s guidance on Key Populations for Early COVID-19 Immunization:

  • Efforts should be made to increase access to immunization services to reduce health inequities without further stigmatization or discrimination, and to engage systemically marginalized populations and racialized populations in immunization program planning.
  • Jurisdictions should ensure close and rapid monitoring of safety, coverage and effectiveness of the vaccines in different key populations, as well as effective and efficient immunization of populations in hardly reached, remote and isolated communities.
  • Efforts should be made to improve knowledge about the benefits of vaccines in general and of COVID-19 vaccines specifically once available, address misinformation, and communicate transparently about COVID-19 vaccine allocation decisions.

How

  • Currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines are administered intramuscularly in a two-dose schedule.
  • Attempts should be made to complete the vaccine series with the same vaccine product.
  • Serologic testing is not needed before or after receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine to assess susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2 or immune response to the vaccine.
  • COVID-19 vaccines should not be given simultaneously with other live or inactivated vaccines at this time, unless other vaccines are required for post-exposure prophylaxis.
  • COVID-19 vaccines should not be given simultaneously with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma.


5.2. - At 16:13:
COVID-19 vaccines should not be given simultaneously with other live or inactivated vaccines at this time, unless other vaccines are required for post-exposure prophylaxis.

Perhaps, 
such as Hepatitis A or B shots, 
which may take over 3 months.


5.3. - At 16:18:

Pregnancy and breastfeeding

8. NACI recommends that a complete vaccine series with a COVID-19 vaccine may be offered to individuals in the authorized age group who are breastfeeding, if a risk assessment deems that the benefits outweigh the potential risks for the individual and the infant, and if informed consent includes discussion about the absence of evidence on the use of COVID-19 vaccines in this population. (Discretionary NACI Recommendation)

Summary of evidence and rationale:

  • Individuals who are pregnant, breastfeeding, or of reproductive age may be at increased risk of exposure to SARS-CoV-2 (e.g., healthcare or essential workers) and/or at increased risk of severe COVID-19 disease (e.g., due to pre-existing medical condition, body mass index of 40 or more) and may wish to be vaccinated despite the lack of evidence of COVID-19 vaccination in pregnancy or during breastfeeding in order to protect themselves. Therefore, the balance of benefits and risks must be made on a case-by-case basis.
  • There is currently no evidence to guide the time interval between the completion of the COVID-19 vaccine series and conception. In the face of scientific uncertainty, it may be prudent to delay pregnancy by 28 days or more after the administration of the complete two-dose vaccine series of a COVID-19 vaccine. A COVID-19 vaccine may be administered any time after pregnancy.
  • Individuals who become pregnant during their vaccine series or shortly thereafter should not be counselled to terminate pregnancy based on having received a COVID-19 vaccine.
  • If pregnancy is determined after initiation of the vaccination series, completion of the series may be delayed until after pregnancy, unless risk factors for increased exposure or severe COVID-19 are present and informed consent for vaccination is obtained as above. NACI also encourages additional research and surveillance of COVID-19 vaccination in pregnancy.
  • Eligible individuals should be offered a complete vaccine series with an authorized COVID-19 vaccine post-partum and prior to attempting pregnancy so that the recommended interval between completion of the vaccine series and conception is maintained.
  • Vaccine recipients and health care providers are encouraged to report to COVID-19 vaccine during pregnancy or breastfeeding to the local public health authority as well as to the vaccine manufacturer for follow-up. Active surveillance in these vaccine recipients is strongly encouraged. NACI will monitor the evidence as it evolves and update recommendations as needed.

Refer to Immunization in Pregnancy and Breastfeeding, Part 3 — Vaccination of Specific Populations of the CIG for additional general information.


6. - 10 minutes after the last update, at 16:32:

Globally, most pregnant women and mothers would get COVID-19 vaccine and vaccinate their children; acceptance in U.S. and Russia lags


6.2. - At 16:32:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00525-y

Are COVID-19 vaccines safe in pregnancy?

An Author Correction to this article was published on 12 March 2021

This article has been updated

As the COVID-19 vaccination programme starts to be rolled out, many young women are hesitant to accept the vaccine, citing concerns about fertility. Meanwhile, those offered the vaccine during pregnancy must decide whether they will accept, even though pregnant people were excluded from the clinical trials. Data on accidental pregnancies that occurred during the trials and, increasingly, outcomes in pregnant people who receive the vaccine can help these groups to make informed decisions.

In December 2020, a blog post appeared online claiming, falsely, that a senior employee at Pfizer was concerned that antibodies elicited by COVID-19 vaccines could attack the placenta. The post was quickly removed but the rumours that it started continue to spread and a survey carried out by ‘Find Out Now’ found that more than a quarter of young women in the United Kingdom would decline the vaccine, citing concerns about its effect on fertility. This is not the first time that unfounded rumours about vaccines causing infertility have circulated. In 2003, such concerns resulted in a boycott of polio vaccination in northern Nigeria; more recently, they have contributed to hesitance in accepting the human papillomavirus vaccine. It is understandable that people are apprehensive, especially about a new vaccine: the vast majority of adverse events can be ruled out in clinical trials, but the short time frame during which these take place, especially for COVID-19, means that events that could potentially occur decades into the future are harder to discount. Indeed, many people are hesitant specifically about receiving an mRNA vaccine, as this is a relatively new platform.`

I am not so concerned about apprehension about the vaccine causing infertility than the risk for actual damage to the fetus during pregnancy. Furthermore, infertility also is not good, especially not if information in intended to be taken out of context, and justification to take information out of context with propaganda or by propaganda is sought to be justified by medical systems, which also is against good health, and, against the public interest, and certainly against my health.

What is someone else ended up being infertile due to their own decisions in 1990, 2 years before I graduated in systems analysis, in relations to those same medical systems, legal systems, and health related to me and my family, and tried to hold me responsible for diversions about economic damage sought to be caused to the fetus with economic boycott during COVID-19 ?

I certainly would not and could not let them try to justify to do that to my wife and potential child, not during the pregnancy, and not before and not after.

If a lawyer tried to make me seem like if I should have contracted them before, but they were already contracted from investigations about organized crimes since the 1970s after I was 3 years old, it sure was before and also was before I was 15 years old, which time would have been too early for the same lawyer associations, even after 2018, to have been contracting with me, since my father already had to be.


6.3. - At 16:49:

26 January 2021

[العربية ] _ [中文] _ [Français] _ [Русский] _ [Español] _ [Português]

The WHO Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization has issued Interim recommendations for use of the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine against COVID-19 in people aged 18 years and older.

Here is what you need to know.

Does it work against new variants?

Based on the evidence so far, the new variants of SARS-CoV-2, including the B.1.1.7 and the 501Y.V2, do not alter the effectiveness of the Moderna mRNA vaccine. The monitoring, collection and analysis of data on new variants and their impact on the effectiveness of COVID-19 diagnostics, treatments and vaccines continues.

Does it prevent infection and transmission?

We do not know whether the vaccine will prevent infection and protect against onward transmission. Immunity persists for several months, but the full duration is not yet known. These important questions are being studied.

In the meantime, we must maintain public health measures that work: masking, physical distancing, handwashing, respiratory and cough hygiene, avoiding crowds, and ensuring good ventilation.

_

This article has been revised on 29 January 2021 to include a section dedicated to pregnant women, but the recommendations remain the same.

Want to read more?


6.4. - At 17:02, 2 hours later:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(21)00044-9/fulltext

Pregnant women’s appetite for risk

Published: _March 02, 2021

Exclusion of pregnant and lactating women from COVID-19 vaccine trials: a missed opportunity

European Heart Journal, ehab103, https://doi.org/10.1093/eurheartj/ehab103
Published: _04 March 2021

No. That’s how any vaccine works. It’s not a 100% physical barrier to the virus ever getting into your body, it makes your immune system start fighting it faster and more effectively than it would for a new virus. The virus still multiplies and starts to do damage but it is stopped before it can make you truly “sick”. It just happens to be the case that, more so than most diseases, covid has a two factors happening:

  1. A broad span of symptoms from “so minor you don’t even notice” to “dead”, making it very important that even when your immune system isn’t able to shut down the virus as fast as hoped turning a severe case of covid into a minor case still has immense value.

and

  1. A large pool of vulnerable people and a lot of active carriers. With most vaccines it doesn’t really matter if you can theoretically get a minor case of the disease before your immune system finishes it off because you’re unlikely to encounter an active carrier and if you become an asymptomatic carrier yourself you’re unlikely to encounter someone vulnerable to it. But with covid we still have a major problem with active transmission so it’s important to keep taking precautions against spreading the disease even if the vaccine will protect you.

Also, it’s important to note that lilsteel seems to have a serious mental illness and frequently posts incoherent and delusional nonsense. I’m not sure why CCP allows them to continue doing it but it’s best to ignore them and not take any of their posts seriously.

As it was not your contention, its not your basis I was interested in.

Like it or not, it’s still the truth.

Who are you taking sides with here? Geo, the CDC or other? And if you have an issue with the explanation of either, what is it?

If you ask me both have oversimplified to the point of absurdity. Your explanation is much more complete.

However, I think its its in the “where to go from there” where we are going to disagree.

That said, do you think a person who has already had Covid should get the vaccine? And on a scale of 0 to 10, just how important would you rate getting it for a healthy person not elderly?

The CDC.

If you ask me both have oversimplified to the point of absurdity.

Like it or not, it’s still the truth. And if it’s a simple explanation it’s because the facts of the situation are also simple. What exactly is your disagreement here?

That said, do you think a person who has already had Covid should get the vaccine?

Yes. Aside from questions of how long immunity lasts there’s also the question of false positives on the test (or people who were assumed to have covid but never tested at all). It’s possible that the person did not have covid and has no immunity and there is no downside to getting the vaccine so they should do it.

And on a scale of 0 to 10, just how important would you rate getting it for a healthy person not elderly?

  1. There is no rational objection to getting the vaccine, only a question of which order groups should be prioritized in.

You are taking an extreme position so you can enjoy a fight. I am not in the mood. Pick a fight with someone else.