By definition a cloaked ship cannot harm anyone. A ship where the player is AFK cannot harm anyone. Both together really cannot harm anyone.
You wouldn’t win and you’d probably have to pay for my attorney, but yes, you can sue, but it is unlikely you’d win.
I fully understand the statement, however you miss my point. My thought process was and still is!!! I did not mention a ship any where but psychological issues. There may/will/might be people out there with these and if playing eve and confronted by a cloaky camper!!
Psychological trauma is a type of damage to the mind that occurs as a result of a severely distressing event. Trauma is often the result of an overwhelming amount of stress that exceeds one’s ability to cope, or integrate the emotions involved with that experience.
So on that note it answers or raises further questions to the statement you posted.
AFK cloaking doesn’t hurt anyone. It never has, and it never will. All it does is shatter the illusion of safety presented by a local list that is friendly. Any impact that shattered illusion has on someone’s activities is entirely their choice, not the person cloaking.
Until someone comes up with a bona fide, rational example of AFK cloaking actually harming another player, I say it should be left as-is.
Just asking a question that is all
You can fully expect this to happen eventually. The decision that will be made, will hopefully be made by a judge who does not subscribe to P.C. culture, but that is going to be unlikely to happen at that point in time.
CCP is in Iceland, not the US. Sue them for it and you’ll get laughed out of the courtroom, if you even make it that far.
Judge: So this ‘AFK Cloaking’ is allowed in the rules of the game?
Complainant: Err, yes…
Judge: And you agree to these rules under the EULA every time the log on?
Complainant: Ummm, I guess so…
Judge:…
I would not apply so much common sense to a lawsuit held by a completely messed up generation of people…
Feelings will be > EULA eventually.
Judges tend to be kinda old and highly educated. Not a guarantee, but it does reduce the likelihood. Oh and don’t forget that courts are very much aware of precedent.
Yeah, considering it’s a game you opt in to play, lawsuit would never fly.
If you find it traumatizing, don’t play.
Of course, that’s why the game has been loosing subscribers so hard the last few years, too much pandering to those who enjoy inflicting harm on others. Sad really. The game had a lot of potential as a fun simulation at one point. Most of the virtual worlds have fallen to the greed of the micro transaction revolution.
You can’t inflict harm in a voluntary transaction as you correctly note.
Sure you can.
You don’t have to stay in a situation that you volunteer for that allows others to inflict harm on you, but that does not mean that any harm they inflict didn’t happen.
That’s why you sign a waiver at the door of any reputable BDSM party.
But that effect is part of why EVE is losing players. Most of it’s ‘gameplay’ is a domestic abuse simulator, and the vast majority of people just aren’t into being abused that way, so they leave.
Long ago, when it was a bit more tilted to being a virtual world where abuse can happen it was more tolerable. These days, where EVE has a now well deserved reputation for some of the biggest dick moves in all of gaming history and where griefing gameplay is celebrated as a selling point… Yeah, the game has lost much of it’s shine.
No you can’t. Just stop being party to the transaction. There problem solved.
BTW, now you are now arguing for the validity of the aforementioned lawsuits. Can you make up your mind?
No, the lawsuit is invalid because you voluntarily put yourself in a dangerous situation.
It’s not a question of if harm was inflicted, it’s a question of liability.
Right…it is voluntary. You elected to put yourself in that situation. You can always remove yourself just as easily.
Why are you having a problem with this? Oh…wait, yeah you want to eat your cake and have it too.
Damages and Liability are two separate things.
Was harm inflicted? Sure. Eve is specifically and almost uniquely set up so that there are real consequences.
Are you liable for the damages you inflict on someone else in game? No.
I actually can’t say that there will never come a time when someone could not convince a court that some liability applies, especially with the way they like to point up the real money conversions to big battles and such. I would rate it as an extremely low probability, not just because it’s a voluntarily played game (you cannot legally enter into a contract for illegal activities), but because it’s a video game and the culture of lawmakers and judges simply isn’t there yet.
No. You accept that this is a possible outcome when you sign up. And you own nothing in game, all in game assets belong to CCP.
Nothing in game is worth anything. Again this is part of the EULA/ToS. You own nothing in game either. It is all the property of CCP…which is no big deal as it is worth nothing.
So if I blow up something you don’t own that is worth nothing…how is there harm?
Many ways could be construed, but I’m not even remotely interested in playing punch and counterpunch with you about it. It’s not ever going to go anywhere.
For it’s application to cloak mechanics, it’s a null point. Suffice to say no matter how eloquent Pegs Thiesant is in arguing this, in the world of today it would never gain any traction. If it did it would do more harm to the gain than any mechanics change could warrant.
Perhaps at some future point when the kids being born today are old, stuffy sitting judges who were raised up with this stuff as a norm it might be a consideration, but not now nor in the foreseeable future.
So…your argument rests basically on, “Your honor, Teckos beat up my imaginary friend, therefore he is guilty of assault and battery. Please lock him up.”
Yeah…that’s going to go far.
Cripes…you are making @Solstice_Projekt point.
I’m not making an argument about this at all. You are looking for a fight, but you aren’t getting it from me.
However:
Problem solved. You said it yourself. There was a problem (someone was harmed), and the ongoing damage was solved by leaving that environment. However, the damage that was already inflicted still happened.
There just is no current liability for inflicting that damage.
The opposite is the case. EVE has been steadily growing until CCP started to dumb it down and target the lowest common denominator. EVE had its best years when it was still a hardcore pvp game, both in fun and active player numbers.
Yes…me beating up your imaginary friend causes you great harm. 