It could change the understanding you’re making of it biased by your static point of view about someone you don’t even know.
Also called : “preconceptions”.
So please.
Put yours aside, and read it again. 
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It’s still a whine post. Doesn’t appear to fool anyone but yourself.
It doesn’t appear to fool anyone but the people desperatly trying to express some kind of hatred publicly thinking they are smart doing so.
The most majority of Eve players don’t even read what we’re writing.
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For good reason. It’s only botters, rmt’ers and renter trash whining about afk cloakers. E.g. the people that have no business being anywhere near nullsec.
The problem isn’t cloaking, the problem is the mentality of people like yourself. That you believe you have to be perfectly safe while farming in a high-risk zone and that’s the only mentality that your post exhibits. It isn’t about supposedly “fixing” cloaking, which isn’t broken to begin with, it’s just about making your high-risk space, which is already way too safe, free of any and all risk.
I’m not sure if you think we’re stupid or something and that you can hide your real agenda in that badly disguised whine post, but you can’t. So give it up. Neither we, nor CCP, are buying your ■■■■■■■■.
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Oh !
You finally did the effort to write a proper argumentation.
Congratulations.
It means you re-read my post then ?
Thanks.
I’m not a botter, nore am i a RMT-er or a renter.
I’m an Eve Online player.
An Eve Online player who’s playing a game because of its risk/reward principal.
I lived in a WH, so i know what it means to constantly be on his guard, scanning, probing, and such.
You do not know myself (i barely do know myself myself…), so please, like i taught you : Preconceptions and such ? Avoid them.
Just like you should avoid making general assumptions over particular experiences or social interactions.
I can feel the hatred in you, i never made an asumption about your childhood or social life that could have you acting like this safely disguised behind a forum profile.
I will not because i don’t know you, but most importantly, because i don’t give a ■■■■ about you.
If you, Mister-High-Truth-Holder, think, that being afk cloacked in a system is being part of a gameplay which consist of making the ennemy feeling “Highly-threatened”, well that’s your vision of Eve Online.
Not mine.
Mine is ACTIVE gameplay, which ever result it leads to, even if it means disrupting me from farming “safely”.
Hence my idea.
You’re missunderstanding MY point (i can agree that there must be a lot of whining out there about this topic, hence my “re-read” request).
MY point is not telling that cloaking is a problem.
It is not.
MY point is not to tell that i’m not able to farm “safely” when there’s an afk-cloaky-camper in my system.
I am.
MY point is to tell that there is absolutely NO WAY to counter it at the same scale gameplay-wise, gametime-wise.
MY point is to denounce the PASSIVE side of this behaviour.
If cloaky-camp exists, it is because it works.
It works because :
- It pisses off players undergoing it (which could be by itself an enough argument to do it, i agree)
- it slows or cut ISK incomming of the ennemy Alliance (until some point)
And so, for little investment.
Well, not entirely : it still costt a whole account to do it.
But anyway.
End of the line.
It is not used because “that’s an awsome gameplay”, or “it reveals how skilled as a player we are”, or whatever else ACTIVE GAMEPLAY side of it : there are none.
I do think you are stupid players.
But do not missunderstand me.
I think you are because you can’t have an proper discussion with someone about this topic, as you are filled with hatred, preconceptions, and oversized ego.
But you made the effort i asked you to.
Thanks for that.
There is still hope.
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You wouldn’t be here if you wouldn’t feel threatened by them. We wouldn’t have a new whine topic about afk cloaking every other day if people wouldn’t feel threatened by them. The entire point of their whining is the possible threat and how it’s so unbalanced that they have to take precautions and take care of themselves for once. What a cruel game EVE is, that people aren’t shielded from their own stupidity.
In the entire history of gaming, how many AFK players have ever harmed another player?
It’s none. Zero. Nil. Nada. Coincidentally that’s also how much risk a “passive cloaker” imposes. He isn’t there, so he can’t harm you.
Cloaky camping exists because of the zero-effort, infallible intel tool that is local chat. AFK cloaking is the only counter to local in the entire game. It works through purely psychological. By simply being a name in local that is always there. It’s highly amusing how that name and the inability to remove that name without having to put in effort is producing so many tears.
You want AFK cloaking gone? It’s going to cost you local chat. There are not going to be any changes to one, without also adequate changes to the other, because the systems are totally intertwined. Local is way too powerful without AFK cloaking as counter and AFK cloaking exists for the sole reason to make local not a perfectly reliable intel tool anymore.
If you’d have done your due diligence on reading up on it, you’d have known that.
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no all it would cost is stop complaining about it.
at this point I don’t log out of eve anymore for the reason to collect tears afk.
first thing I do before I go to work start pc log into eve afk cloak in a system near one of the whiners.
and go to work.
come home check all the tears I collected and how many forum posts I triggered.
profit.
Let me see…
Ratting you get ISK.
Mining you get ore.
PI you actually have to be active to get your stuff.
What do you get while AFK and cloaked? Oh yeah, nothing.
Hmmm you seem to have a faulty premise here.
Try again.
Actually you are, you are opposed to people who use cloaks while ATK. Why impose burdens on such players?
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tears
Too bad we can’t use them in game. 
I’m ok with local chat desappearing, or behaving just like the WH ones.
If you think that it’s the only way to eradicate passiv gameplay as i described it, i’m in.
I avoided replying to your previous arguments.
I already did.
It hurts botters/RMTers the most, who have most reason to complain the loudest.
You can draw the final conclusion yourself.
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I drew it already.
But it’s not the same as the most loudly bragging egotists out there, the quickest to reply to such topics.
I have no idea what your opinion is, but it does not matter. Your interpretation of who might be an egoist, and who isn’t, equally does not matter. What matters is facts, and these facts are not on the side of those who defend botters and or RMTers.
The list of facts and logical conclusions against the people who cry about cloaky campers is long enough to not care about even discussing them anymore. There is no point. The people who keep this thread active, on both sides of the equation, are nothing but muppets who waste their life time for literally nothing.
That is all.
Nothing more to add.
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My opinion is simple.
I don’t know why people bring RMTers and BOTers on the table when they face a sensible argument against cloaky-campers.
If the goal of cloaky-campers were to eradicate RMTers and BOTers, they would be in each and every NullSec system.
It’s not up to players to make justice for these behaviours : it’s up to CCP to track and punish them accordingly so that it would make future ones think twice before acting as such.
Subject is afk-cloaky-campers, not RMTers and BOTers.
True. Very true.
They bring it up, because it’s important. People RMT and bot, and we hate that with a passion. Understanding this is not rocket science and underlines both the simplicity of your opinion and the apparently simple mind that came up with it. You putting it all into the hands of “authority” just makes you look obedient, which is a shame.
No, because there is no reason to camp every single one of them, because 1. most are empty and 2. renter trash is the most likely trash to bot and RMT.
That’s for the players to decide, and apparently, they do. Your opinion is irrelevant. One can not seperate cloaky campers from RMTers and botters, because many people do it just because of that. Your simpleton approach towards the matter does not change tha matter and everything it covers.
Now, if you do not have anything more sensible to talk about, and rather stay at your shallow perspective, then I will just opt out. People who have nothing to say usually are only in it for “being told they’re right”, which I don’t care about… on both sides of the equation.
I’d like to see one of these sensible arguments. Every argument I’ve seen typically involves imposing a burden on ATK cloak users.
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What’s truly simple minded is to use insults and name calling in ones arguments as if that makes them any stronger. It don’t.
I get it. You don’t like botters. I don’t like botters. Many players don’t like botters. I live in space where botters are not allowed and dealt with accordingly by the alliance itself. We do not need cloaky campers for that. Ironically we are being AFK cloaky camped 23/7 by a group known to have a lot of botters.
I don’t either. I don’t care about what you think about “arguments”, because it does not matter. I call people out for how they behave and what they say, and if they use that to dismiss the actual content of the message, then the problem is them and not me.
It’s a US American way of thinking, which helps people with no, or low self confidence and no actual arguments, to dismiss everything and everyone based on idiotic feelings that have no point in any and all discussions about whatsoever.
Whatever you say … it does not matter. In the slightest. What matters is facts. What matters is that no amount of whining is going to change anything, not only because 99% of the whiners do not bring up any actual points, or arguments, but also because a substantial amount of people who whine about afk cloakers are botters and RMTers.
That is all that matters.
There are botters and RMTers and afk cloaking helps against them.
Anyone arguing about this is directly, or indirectly, willingly or unwillingly supporting botters and RMTers.
It is that easy, yet it is not just “simple” like the minds of most people in this thread.
What you need … or don’t … does not ■■■■■■■ matter. If you people were not so full of yourselves to believe that anyone gives a flying ■■■■ about what you think, then you would realise that this achieves nothing. Null. Zilch. Nada. This thread only exists, because CCP wants you to stay in a single thread so you don’t annoy the rest of the people.
All you people do is making yourself heard by people who are equally irrelevant and in both ingame and actual reality no one who matters actually gives a ■■■■ about what you have to say.
So … please … go on. Have fun with all the lunatics continuously talking to “you”.
(general “you” applying to anyone who posts here regularly)
At least they help keeping the filth out of the rest of the forums.
I’m out. And have fun flagging my post, it’s what low lifers do.
And so.
Wierdly enough.
ALL Anti-BOTers-and-RMTers-Kniwghts are Goons.
And ALL RMTers-and-BOTers-Vilains are … in Darkness ?
But when a campain switches.
Like a magical trick, all those protagonists change regions, and alliance, and names, and all…
Someone called about my BS… i don’t no what that point is, if mine were actually BS. 
The only reason why people do cloaky-camping, is that it pisses off players in the ennemy alliance.
Period.
Saying otherwise is hypocritical.
Sensible arguments that is to throw statistics number randomly, based on … wind.
(wind YOU call “facts”, oddly)
Once again, subject is Cloaky-campers.
Not RMTers and BOTers.
Talking about RMTers and BOTers when facing sensible arguments against cloaky-campers is like throwing a God-Win-Point : everybody is against RMTers and BOTers, unless you are one of them, obviously.
So it’s like saying : “You MUST NOT criticise Cloaky-camping, otherwise, you ARE a BOTer or RMTer”.
Argument level : 0.
I was talking about my arguments.
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