I could turn that around and say that there are countless people logged in AFK in null alliance citadels. Under your premise they are “griefing me” as they 23/7 threaten to undock a blob to kill me when all I want is a noble 1v1 fight. Maybe we should put a limit on how long you can stay docked before you are forced to undock and ban players that stay docked 23/7. After all they are “griefing” legit PVPers 
As one of those players who occasionally cloaky camps, I do know what I’m talking about.
You’re free to explain what you mean, or you can just stayed docked up because a neutral in system scares you.
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Wrong. Having a name in local is a normal game interaction. In fact it is the standard counter to local, used by many players in many systems on all sides of EVE’s conflicts. You really don’t get more “normal” than that.
Griefing would be things like chat spamming your victim from alt accounts so you can keep verbally abusing them, throwing away tons of money to suicide gank them every time they undock, etc, where one particular person is the target and your dedication to ruining their experience goes beyond how people normally play the game.
And it is being done with the sole purpose to ruin/ harass/ grief a particular person or groups game experience.
Nope. It is being done to attack the resources of an enemy alliance and/or to get kills once the targets are compelled to undock even with a name in local. It would only become griefing if, say, the targets of the AFK cloaking moved halfway across the EVE universe to escape it and the AFK cloakers followed every time (without any profit motive to do so, such as being hired mercenaries, etc).
The problem is the 23/7 part of the issue.
Nope. It’s not a problem at all. If you are a competent alliance that deserves to hold and exploit nullsec space then you can fight back against it and AFK cloaking is a negligible threat. Weak alliances that can’t put up a PvP defense aren’t entitled to a cap on the number of hours a PvP threat can be present just because they’re incapable of dealing with PvP and hate being unable to farm.
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So much whining in this post. 
Counter #1 - If you want to rat get a group of at least 12 characters and go as a group. Use spider tanked drakes with each drake having about 70k ehp and 1 or 2 sensor/targeting damps. Orbit the anchor closely and if you get dropped win the isk war.
Counter #2 - If you are miners go out as a group in skiffs or I guess these days rorquals. Use your numbers and the power of a drone ball to win the isk war against hot droppers.
If you are a big enough group to do these things, but decide it’s too much work, then you deserve to get camped and dropped.
Hot droppers do not like losing the isk war or losing ships, period. Punch them a couple of times and they will go away. This is a proven method of success. When I was in null, this is how we combated cloaky campers and life went on just fine. We either used too many ships to tackle and our miners used the power of the drone ball and when they did drop us they usually lost 1-3 black ops battleships. Eventually the camper moved on to easier prey. Win the isk war and lose the camper!
This is definitely true. When we drop a lot of times there is a chance our target might escalate. I always remind people to not get too greedy because that next machariel or rattlesnake or two that comes on the field while looking juicy might just be enough to tip the scales and make half the fleet lose their blingy dropping ship.
lololo 50m “blinged” cloaky Bombers, sure…
Isk war…sure…if they droping one Rorqual (better one super, for 200 Bombers <1minute effort) ISK ist allready positive.
All clueless people with zero expirience how that actually work.
We drop all the time. I guess many the people we encounter in our area aren’t as dumb as you and often try to defend. Maybe we should pay you a visit sometime!
Or there just aren’t enough of you. It’s not about a wanna be 25 man fleet.
And I have enough visitors without you as it is. 
To be fair, if they are putting together a 200 man fleet to kill your single rorqual and you are dumb enough / lacking in intel to let them drop you then you deserve to lose it.
Maybe you need 1 more visitor. 
If you are going to lose it anyway, might as well be on my KB.
I’m not losing anything. It’s just stupid then not being able to do anything decent in 3-4 hours of my limited evening time. When there’s a fleet of them jumping around. And they are very often there lately.
You can’t even catch them before they run out of jump fuel or ammo…
Yes! Because they are always there (cloaky campers), so I have to limit myself forever. Just wonderful.
I wanted to ask first if you were possibly silly, but now I know that you are. Sorry, but you really have no idea.
It’s simple.
- They’re always there.
- As soon as there is a suitable target somewhere in 50 systems and they have the desire and the number they jump in and you can do absolutely nothing against it.
And again. It’s not about it happening, it’s about the fact that for certain players with so many accounts, the effort is ridiculously low to watch the systems without being active.
No, you can do things, but you are crying because you can’t use a maxed out mining setup in 100% safety. If you were mining in a cheap mining ship, if they lost a single bomber you would be ahead. But no… you just have to min/max in null and then whine when you don’t get your way.
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Have you ever thought that there is a reason they are there. Perhaps because you are feeding them easy kills? Maybe grow a pair and bait them. Do it a few times and they would leave you alone.
Then perhaps you should get better at EVE and/or join a better alliance that can actually secure their space. You aren’t entitled to farming time, if someone else is better at EVE than you and controls the space you want to use then too bad.
As soon as there is a suitable target somewhere in 50 systems and they have the desire and the number they jump in and you can do absolutely nothing against it.
Stop lying. You absolutely can do things about it, you just don’t like the fact that “doing something about it” means organized alliance-level PvP and doesn’t allow you to mindlessly solo farm.
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Maybe you should suggest t1 then, which should be obvious, but the min/max-entitled farmers here have a seriously hard time even considering.
I believe a drake is t1 and fitted properly for this exercise is about 70 mil. Please read my counter #1 solution.
You are correct, farmers do not like to lower themselves down to use t1 ships. They would much rather use a 2 bil ship, lose it and then whine about the loss.
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Vote for cloaky weapons!!! 
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Sorry, if you were talking about using a proc vs a skiff, the extra cpu is needed for a proper fit and the skiff also gets the 5% shield resist bonus, which is important for keeping the drone ball alive a bit longer.
When we used to get dropped, we usually lost 2-3 skiffs and knocked out 1-2 black ops battleships before they bailed, winning the isk war. A fleet of 10-15 skiffs is a very powerful defense force.
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Fair enoght. There are really multiple ways to go about this.
Obviously this is all completely wasted advice as the min/max farmer feels entitled to use his expensive setup in a 100% neutral and red free system and can’t possibly adapt to the situation.
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As someone who just recently got his ass blasted out of his cloaky tengu I can say this is ridiculous. Enough resebos on a ship with a high enough “mm” sensor strength can, in theory, catch a ship before it can cloak. I mean it happened to me and 2 others. So…
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