Another idea I had (which can be ignored, questioned or criticized in detail fairly rather than just attacked with accusations) (no, its true. no joke) is to have a timer where without enough variety of keyboard/ mouse input your capsule begins going into something we can call “emergency cryogenic status” (ECS). What that would mean is that your capsule begins an automatic process of putting you in a cryogenic sleep (seeking to save your AFK life) and your ship shuts down. After a fair warning (perhaps two minutes of klaxons going off) your name is dropped from local and your ship would be rendered immobile as well us immune to combat probing (as with wrecks). All your mods shut down. How all that goes depends on where you put your ship before going AFK. You stay that way until…
You come back to your keyboard/mouse and offer input. The ECS process is cancelled and a reversal process begins. Your name is back in local right away (but marked or fading in and out to indicate you are only half there) but for a time, perhaps five minutes, your ship is starting back up, so your modules don’t work and you still cannot be combat probed. After the time has elapsed your ship is back on line and everything goes as normal. Hope you had fun studying the ship tree or the market while you waited!
About the only way I see someone dying for this is that they went AFK in a really dumb place (their own fault), or someone has a gadzillion bookmarks and a very, very fast subwarp ship and a fleet to warp to that fast ship when it finally gets near. Those plus a REALLY good grasp of d scan AND enough luck to win the lottery. But same moral of the story; play the game or log off.
Edit: just for funsies I suppose d scan could work when you come back so you get a clue how close your frenemies got to you while you were away. Plus its fair in a contrived way cause they have been d scanning you the whole time.
A mouse is just an input signal the same as a keyboard is. Both are completely programmable (including with random variation), so adding this won’t solve any perceived problem.
Ultimately, AFK cloaking only affects botters and AFK ratters, neither of which are more deserving of their own play than the cloaker is. There’s just no need to make a change.
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I’d like to point out that I’ve seen mentioning him that in plenty of other threads too.
Good. Maybe you will be able to remember it now and not think I am so attached to every idea it wll make a great bludgeon, cause it won’t.
You saying it …
… doesn’t mean it’s true.
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I covered that. There was no need to create EVE in the first place. That’s no reason to just shrug and keep playing D and D.
That’s not true. I have taken evasive actions and wasted time because I saw there was one person/ship supposedly in system. Each time I wasted time affected my timing into the next system and therefore my fate, and generally not for the better. That would happen less if undocked AFK people were removed or highlighted.
I covered this. Many won’t make that hurdle. And if the program is not random enough it could be detectible and result in quite a few bannings.
None of the above are playing the game. Therefore none of the above should have ships flying if it can be helped at all. Just seems like a natural conclusion. Even freaking youtube pesters me for being AFK.
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Why wouldn’t a random algorithm be random enough? They aren’t hard to write.
Also, if the variety of input is somehow magically not variable enough, then I assume your proposal also extends to all ships that are in that state. So a miner that doesn’t move his mouse has his lasers switch off and goes into this cryo state, a ratter that is making very predictable actions has his ship shutdown? A freighter on autopilot has his ship stop autopiloting because there is no input happening at all from the player? etc. Or is your proposal only designed against one type of play you don’t like?
I have no fricken idea why something you have not mentioned before would be that way. Jesus Christ.
See thread title. Note I didn’t make the thread I am just replying to it.
What? You wrote that a programmed randomness might not be random enough.
I’m just asking why, because writing a random algorithm is simple, including making it uniformly random and not predictable at all.
Sure, then why make some ridiculously convoluted proposal about mouse and keyboard input that has nothing to do with cloaking. Surely if you do that, you do it across the whole game?
My playstyle works perfectly fine thanks, at least without some dumb features ideas you keep trying to defend.
There is a HUGE difference between an e-warp at logout or DC and your proposition where CCP is going to try warping me to a station that I may or may not have docking rights or (god forbid) try warping me to another system (and maybe directly into bubbles) to find a station to dock up at.
Don’t lie, things you have said have already outted you as a new player.
So says the guy who did nothing on the killboard but die 3 times on either end of 3 and a half years. Next time you get a Vargur I suggest loading ALL the guns. LOL FFS
My bad and sorry about that. I was not making the connection between what I said and “algorithm”
Simple for some, but how many of them play EVE and care enough to get around an undocked and AFK penalty? I think its a tall order. Of course, you could prove me wrong and make such a program in the next three days. Or we could just agree the term “simple” was a bit of over-reach on your part.
Havn’t even been around long enough to recognize a forum alt?
It’s not even an hours work, including testing it.
It’s a trivial thing to do, which renders the suggesting next to useless, because that will leave 2 classes of cloaking - at keyboard and AFK with input sent (which can’t just work as you’ve described anyway, because moving the mouse doesn’t actually send information to the sever or necessarily get recorded by the client, nor does pressing keys and requiring this is a huge security risk for all of us as players).
Lolwut? Of course there was a need to create EVE. They created it because they believed there was a market that wanted it and was willing to pay for it, they didn’t sink large amounts of money into developing a game just for the sake of making something.
But how do you know they were AFK? How do you know your actions and time were wasted and not the only thing that saved you from certain death?
Plenty. Speaking as an engineer with some software experience this would be trivially easy to create. In fact, just to make it 100% undetectable I could fairly easily build a little robot that physically kicks the mouse every X minutes (+/- random amount of time).
Quote me saying that.
Wow! That was fast. Where can I download it?
